After Thoughts: Intuition

Introduction to After Thoughts Podcast
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[00:00:00] Josiah: The following is an episode of After Thoughts, which is the podcast we host inside of our private community, where we debrief the episodes that we publish kind of in real time. This conversation is very unstructured and it's definitely unedited, but Cody and I had such a great time recording this one, that we wanted to release it to the wider audience, so enjoy this. Look into the behind the scenes, and if you like this episode, consider joining the community so you can listen to more of these. All right, onto the show. 


Starting the Intuition Edition
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[00:01:05] Josiah: And we're live

[00:01:06] Cody: And we're live.

[00:01:08] Josiah: well, live to us.

[00:01:09] Cody: Yeah.

[00:01:11] Josiah: Welcome to afterthoughts.

[00:01:13] Cody: Hello everybody.

[00:01:15] Josiah: This is the intuition edition.

[00:01:22] Cody: Yeah, yes it is.

[00:01:25] Josiah: So I listened through the episode today.

[00:01:28] Cody: Yeah.

[00:01:28] Josiah: is the night before it comes And 

[00:01:33] Cody: sounded

[00:01:35] Josiah: I sounded about as

[00:01:37] batshit crazy as I thought I would, which was good. I was on

[00:01:40] Cody: as I thought it would. Do you want to have a real conversation?

[00:01:59] Josiah: Nice, we can have a real conversation about it.


Differences in Thought Processes
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[00:02:02] Cody: Yeah, you know, sometimes though, I think it works out that I haven't listened to it because then it's like new thoughts about that topic instead of just remembering what we talked about before, but I did come to an interesting, um, realization because of this episode, I've never been able to like put it into words, the differences between you and I in like certain ways that we think about things, but I now understand it like, cause I've been like kind of framing it in my mind for a while and thinking about like, how, how differently we approach things and intuition is actually a really great topic because of where you took this episode. This is a great topic to bring this up. So um, I think that it's a really, I think it's, what's interesting about this conversation is how our wings play a part in this conversation for me because I was, you know, I think it's something you shared with me recently about, um, about the wings and how they.

[00:02:59] How they kind of show up in our lives. And I don't think I responded to it, but I was like, wow, that was really accurate. And then I just kind of moved on, um, as I

[00:03:06] Josiah: 90 percent of the stuff that I send you.

[00:03:08] Cody: Yeah, as I do. And, uh, I'm, I'm awful at texting back and the more people in the group texts, the worst I am at the worst I am at texting back.

[00:03:16] Josiah: well, what's funny though is like, you respond way more often when Amy posts something than when I post something.

[00:03:22] Really? Yes. 

[00:03:24] Cody: something

[00:03:26] Josiah: I never 

[00:03:28] Cody: when I pose something. Yes.

[00:03:39] Listening to our old conversation through that lens a little bit. And it kind of made me realize because five wing force tend to be a lot more like lean into the mystical side of things and like more or mythical, whatever you want to say. I mean, it just, I feel like it kind of leans into that.

[00:03:56] Whereas a five wing six tends to be more like grounded in practicality and like what you can see in front of your face. And that. 


Religious Backgrounds and Beliefs
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[00:04:04] Cody: So perfectly represents how I was in Christianity. I never, I never believed in speaking in tongues. Like I never believed in like all the stuff and even the idea of believing in God seemed a ludicrous idea to me.

[00:04:16] Like the whole time I was a Christian. So some people might say I never was a Christian because of that. But I was, I was definitely a doubter and churches don't like doubters. But, um Um, I, I was thinking about that and, you know, even back then, cause I, I, my mind went back to the episode where we had our friends on and we did the, the friends of fives episode.

[00:04:38] Josiah: Which hasn't come out yet.

[00:04:40] right. 

[00:04:41] Cody: Well, it's a great, thanks for that. Um, well here's a, here's a little sneak peek. Um, there were things that were said, we talk about our, our, um, Growing up and stuff right. With, because your, your friend that's on that episode was with you since high school. And so, um, and he got to see a version of you.

[00:04:58] That to me makes sense because you were so, like in the religious thing, right? Like, you like really believed that you were very like evangelical or like, I don't know if we're more evangelical or Pentecostal. I don't really know.

[00:05:10] Josiah: Um, it, it, it, yeah, it went, it went from one end to the other because, because when I grew up.

[00:05:18] And like my dad, well, he grew up like backwoods Methodist. And then when he was 30, he went to some rally in DC and came back like full, like full blown Pentecostal like

[00:05:28] Cody: like, full

[00:05:29] Josiah: and started one of those kinds of churches.

[00:05:31] So that's what I actually grew up in

[00:05:33] Cody: actually grew up with. Oh, yeah, okay,

[00:05:35] Josiah: yeah, and that, so that's my, my background. And then when I, when I moved to Gallatin where Brendan and I met, um, it was the first time we really went to a non charismatic church. It was just like a independent Baptist church. And I went, we went there because one, it was at the end of our street.

[00:05:53] So it's like two minutes away and two, I had a crush on a girl who went there. And that's why I asked my parents to go try it.

[00:06:00] Cody: Yeah, that's, that's Rex. That's Rex. That's usually how that goes. Um, well, it kind of makes sense then that you would, you'd go off the deep end of batshit crazy. And I'm like, Trying to be the five and like, in my mind, the five in the room, right?

[00:06:15] Like, okay, but has any of this tested? Like, do you, you just making this up out of thin air? And when I, when it got to that part of the conversation, I, I, it solidified it in my head, looking back on it and kind of reflecting like our differences in pretty much any conversation we ever have about anything is like, it tends to be

[00:06:31] like, you're in the ethereal up here and I'm like down here on

[00:06:33] Josiah: you, you actually, you asked me that question a lot of like, who else you know, like, where does this come from?

[00:06:40] Like, who else has said this, you know? And it,

[00:06:44] It,

[00:06:44] feels It feels like I, I tend to be more internally referenced versus externally

[00:06:51] referenced. Because, 

[00:06:54] Cody: What does that mean? What do you mean by that?


Exploring Intuition and Experience
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[00:06:55] Josiah: um, I, and it wasn't always this way, but especially in the last few years, I just, I have weighted my, my own individual experience and intuition much more heavily.

[00:07:12] When it comes to trying to figure out what reality is. And, um, just because I, I, I feel like it, when you, when you approach everything the way that we tend to with logic,

[00:07:32] um,

[00:07:32] there's a bit of self deception in that, I think. Um, because there, it, everything that you do is, is always through a lens of experience first.

[00:07:44] And. And you cannot view things, uh, absent of your life experiences that that's just not the, that's the way our brain works is that we have a, it's a filter and it takes all of our past experiences and it, it tries to take in new information and make predictions about that based off of, of everything that we, that is known to start to try to figure out things that are unknown.

[00:08:10] Right. And, um, and I think that when in the past, when I have. Um, when I discounted my own experience, my own intuition, I, I ended up getting really out of alignment. And, and then over time, this, I think this is what I was trying to get to in this, in this episode was over time when I've, as I've started to lean into it more and experiment and like actually run little experiments and, and, and the model that I tried to describe in this was just a model that helps me, helps me sort of conceptualize the mechanics of it, which Watch Which, which then if I can conceptualize the mechanics of it, then I can figure out how to gamify it right.

[00:08:55] And which lets me run experiments and and in doing so, then I can validate or invalidate hypotheses and I could figure out like to what degree I can, like, is there any accuracy in that? And then that over time increases my confidence in my own experience and my own intuition. And that's what I've been doing for the last few years.

[00:09:16] And that's why like to the outside, if you don't, if you don't understand like that's my process and you don't, and like, and cause we haven't really talked about this much and like looking out or looking in, it seems like I am kind of like often the ethereal. Um, But there's actually a, a pretty, a pretty rigorous,

[00:09:39] almost scientific process and a lot of it, but I just don't talk about it really

[00:09:44] Cody: really.

[00:09:45] Josiah: because it's, I don't even, I don't even recognize that I'm doing it half the time until I like stop.

[00:09:48] I'm like, Oh yes, this is what I'm doing.

[00:09:50] Cody: what 

[00:09:52] Josiah: I don't remember how we got off on that tangent. What were you going to say?

[00:09:55] Cody: got off on that tangent?

[00:09:58] What were you gonna

[00:10:01] Josiah: referenced versus externally referenced. That's what we got off on 

[00:10:04] Cody: Yeah, well, it's like, you know, it's like science is based on this idea of peer review and, and, and being able to prove or disprove things, I guess, mostly disproving understand it. At least it's how my brother described And, um, so for me, it's like, if an example is like somebody's worldview can be insanely close minded if they just base all, all experience on their experience, which is, which I would assume would be internally referenced in that context, right?

[00:10:30] Internal references at how you're defining it.

[00:10:32] Josiah: it? Um, it depends on how that worldview was, was created. So if, like, you have a worldview that was handed to you, and that you never questioned and you never tested, then that's almost purely, like, externally referenced, like, worldview that you've adopted.

[00:10:47] It's, it's, it's all, like, this goes back to our, um, our conspiracy theory episode, where basically the premise was that It matters are much less like what you believe in it more like how you believe what you believe and and that's what I'm much more interested in is like the how, uh, and that's why I kind of made the case in that episode to

[00:11:09] believe

[00:11:10] more conspiracy theories, because the more that you do, the more that it.

[00:11:13] It gets you comfortable and kind of like takes away the power of that fear of being seen as incompetent, which is actually the thing that that keeps you stuck, that keeps you from figuring out getting closer to truth.

[00:11:30] Cody: Hmm. But I mean, saying like, you're going to have to explain the difference between how and what, because like, sounds like semantics to me because like you believe in, you believe what you're going to believe and the how of it seems like secondary to the what, because if the what is really dangerous belief, then the how doesn't matter to me.

[00:11:54] So like, that's, that's what it sounds like to me.

[00:11:57] Josiah: Right. Okay, so,

[00:12:03] I

[00:12:05] I, think that when you,

[00:12:10] it,

[00:12:10] it, comes to a, uh, I'm trying to think about how to explain this best. Um, like, I, I can have a belief that all bald people are Right. And, There could be different ways. There are different ways to kind of come to that belief, right? One is I grew up having this taught as a dogmatic belief that I never questioned and and and then and because that when you're you know up until you're like seven or eight years old like you you cognitively You just accept new information that comes in and that forms your belief system.

[00:12:59] Um, you don't really have the ability to really question things in the way that you can as your brain develops in later ages. And so that's why so much of who we are is formed in those first seven years.

[00:13:14] Cody: Yeah.

[00:13:14] Josiah: And, uh, and so there's, uh, in that then, If you, if you haven't questioned it, then you are unaware of all of the ways that it can.

[00:13:29] Uh, it can, like, affect your decision making, you're unaware, like, and it becomes this thing that is part of your identity that you have to, you feel like you have to protect, right? Now, if I somehow went through the process of, um, evaluate, like, interviewing a bunch people and form my, you know, later in my life and, um, And came to the conclusion that bald people are evil through a course of doing a hundred interviews or spending a hundred hours with you, Cody, then, uh, and like, that's something that I, I came to, it could be a belief that I have, but it's, it's held differently.

[00:14:10] Right. It's, it's, it's held not from a place of identity, but from more of a, um, a position that I've, I've, I've, I've stepped into, but it's still, but it's open to new information. And so I'm not going to be as dogmatic about it. I'm not more, I'm much less likely to do things like attack you for it because I'm still open to it.

[00:14:33] So that's, this is what I'm saying. Like, it's the same belief. But it's how, one, how it was developed, and two, it's like, how you, um, like, how you hold that belief. And, and my, the point I was making in that episode was that the, the first one is, uh, a method for breaking that is Is like if you had, if you grew up believing just one conspiracy theory, go start believing a bunch of other conspiracy theories, but actually do it in a way where you start to run into conduct, contradicting ones, right?

[00:15:05] And then that, that helps you, um, that helps you go through that process of being okay with letting go of that identity. Um, and not, not tying your beliefs to your identity. 

[00:15:16] Cody: identity. 

[00:15:17] Josiah: And that, I guess that's kind of what I meant. Does that make sense?

[00:15:20] Cody: Yeah, and actually, like, 

[00:15:28] Josiah: and and actually, like, I

[00:15:29] mean, that's a great example. Like go both ways. Like this is one of the things that, um, that you've probably heard me say before. Like if you, if you can't steal man, the other side of the argument that you're holding, you don't actually have an opinion. You have talking

[00:15:45] points that

[00:15:46] you were handed, right?

[00:15:48] Consciously or unconsciously. And so anytime I am. I am like, I find myself in that place where I'm like, okay, this, this is a strong opinion that I have. I do my best to try to steel man the other side of it. And then that at least helps me self evaluate. Is this something that, uh, that I started to believe as a result of just like propaganda that is unconscious, or is it actually something that, that has legs to it that, um, that when I try to the steel man, the other side of it, you know, that it still holds.

[00:16:24] Right. And so I'm like con constantly doing, doing that more, like where I went through, I don't do that as much now, like in terms of spending a lot of cognitive processing on it, um, because I've.

[00:16:39] I've gotten to a better place where I don't need to do that.

[00:16:42] Cody: you quit your job and you have better things to do with your mind

[00:16:45] Josiah: Well, that's part of it. But like a lot of, a lot of the, um, I've, I've already gone through a metamorphosis, you know, in like the 2021, 2022 frame where I, I, like my entire worldview was turned upside down for like the.

[00:17:01] third or fourth time in my life. And, and in that I had to go, I had to go through that process of like questioning everything all over again. And, um, and so coming out on the other side, now I have a different worldview and I came to that in a different way. And, um, and so at least not, at least right now, I'm not doing a ton of that, um, because of that.

[00:17:23] And also because I'm doing things that are 

[00:17:26] Cody: Yeah, right. Yeah. And it takes a lot of intuition to be able to sort through that. And we're back on topic,

[00:17:35] Josiah: Yeah.

[00:17:35] Cody: affect intuition. I was thinking about that in terms of for, before we go too far, I just have to say like one of my favorite pastimes when I'm feeling like I need some type of indication in the world.

[00:17:45] Um, especially right now, I, there's nothing I love more than watching videos. of people trying to run scientific experiments, proving flat earth and then proving that it's round. It's one of my favorite videos. I

[00:17:56] Josiah: That documentary on Netflix was pretty great. I

[00:17:58] Cody: don't think I saw the documentary. I've seen the clips that I've watched on YouTube might have been from the 

[00:18:03] Josiah: it's so good. 

[00:18:04] Cody: Anyway, all that to say, um, but I was listening to the, you know, editing the, the responses and stuff. And it was interesting for me to also hear like, Um, you know, just when people are talking, you can kind of hear kind of the background they're coming from. Right. And you can hear the different kind of viewpoints and hearing the wings.

[00:18:22] Just like when I was identifying our wings, it was easier for me to identify him. But when someone, when a five talks about something as like intangible as intuition and trying to make sense of it, um, you can really hear the, the difference in, in perspective there. And I thought that was kind of nice.

[00:18:36] Cause it's, it's very evenly represented in this episode.


Listener Feedback and Community Engagement
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[00:18:40] Josiah: I love all the responses that we've been getting,

[00:18:41] Cody: Yeah, the last two episodes have been killer. Like, I mean, the last, the, what was the first anxiety, the anxiety episodes, some of those responses were like, almost like tear jerking for me. I was like, man, these are like,

[00:18:53] I hope that we've played a part in all of you guys opening up even more as fives.

[00:18:57] Cause I was really impressed.

[00:19:00] Josiah: Yeah. It's my favorite part of the episodes by far.

[00:19:01] Cody: Yeah, it is me too. Yeah. And it's cool that I think because we get more of them, I can make them more of the episode, which I think we've had feedback. People like that and liked it having longer for me. It was when I, when we first started doing it, I felt like it was going to be like they were, I was worried about it being too long.

[00:19:17] Right. And like too much of a break from the regular conversation. But if it's longer than it becomes more a part of the conversation and it kind of does the opposite effect, which I like, it's cool. 

[00:19:29] Josiah: Yeah, for sure. Um, I, you know, I kind of going back to what I was saying, the, the reason why that this has been actually that whole, this whole episode was really interesting timing because


Writing Process and Vulnerability
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[00:19:48] Josiah: And I shared a little, a little bit about this in the community, but last week, uh, I was doing my, I am doing working with the author coach and I wasn't going to say anything that I was writing another book manuscript.

[00:20:01] Um, but. I, I just felt like I had to share based off of what happened, but I, he, it's just, it's a small group. So there are three or three or four of us going through this process in a small group, like cohort, um, working with him and he has this, uh, process that he takes you through and in the beginning is like not writing at all.

[00:20:25] It's actually drawing and. and it's trying to key like put off the putting off the left brain and interfering for as long as possible in the process. And this, this approach that I took this time was so different than the last time I did this the last time I did it. I already had like I'd done, I'd done a lot of mental processing

[00:20:50] Cody: Yeah.

[00:20:51] Josiah: and analyzing and I had formed a narrative in my head already.

[00:20:56] And so as I was drawing things, I was really just illustrating

[00:21:00] the, the structure I had already built in my head. And so I came into it with a preconceived notion of what it should And, um, and unsurprisingly, I. You know, I wrote a 50, 000 word manuscript and it was garbage because like, it was just, it didn't, it didn't make sense.

[00:21:21] It's like, well, there was no good, like cohesive

[00:21:22] Cody: to make

[00:21:22] Josiah: it. I was trying to make it something, but I didn't actually know what I knew it needed to be because I didn't do the work of that discovery. I mean, I did to an extent, but, but I didn't get far enough with it because I didn't approach it the way that I approach it this time of like the reason, like last time it was like, I had this, I had this narrative.

[00:21:40] I had to get out of me. And that's why I did it this time. It was, I just went through a transformation and I, I still haven't made sense of a lot of it and, uh, and I got invited to do this and normally I would say no, because I have so much other stuff going on, but intuitively I felt like, no, this is an opportunity that's arising at this time for a specific reason.

[00:22:04] This is something that you want to say yes to. And so I said yes to it. And I'm like, I don't even know what I would write a book about right now. You know, it's like, that's, this is the hard thing. And so like, I, I sat down and did this exercise and just let myself let things come out.

[00:22:22] without

[00:22:22] trying to make sense of them 

[00:22:23] Cody: them 

[00:22:24] Josiah: the moment and and what I drew on on the paper, I'm like, I don't, I don't want to talk about half the stuff like at this point, just like this isn't something that I would want to like if it feels so vulnerable.

[00:22:40] Um, for me, like to, to try to even go through a process of writing about some of the stuff because, because I haven't done that mental processing and got it to a point where it was like, it's through the filter where I, you know, it can make sense of it and I can come across looking like I know what I'm talking about and control it.

[00:22:55] Yeah. And, um, one of the things that I had drawn on there was that. Um, that illustration of what I kind of tried to describe in the episode, um, but have since like flesh it out more. And I drew it when you and I were, were. Hanging out with, with our friend the other night, I think I'd drawn it in his notebook.

[00:23:15] Um, and, and it's basically like where truth meets time. And, um, and it was, it's like trying to take that 2d representation to make it 3d and had what that process actually looks like. And, and so for whatever reason, that was what was coming out. So I just, I drew that, I drew some other stuff. And, um, and I'm like, I really hope he doesn't ask me about this.

[00:23:37] Cody: doesn't ask 

[00:23:39] Josiah: And sure enough, he asked me about it. And, uh, And like I tried to explain it and all this stuff.

[00:23:45] Cody: this in a group setting?

[00:23:46] Josiah: Yeah. And, um, and I'm like, I, I feel very vulnerable because it's like, I don't, like, I, I don't know why this is coming up. And he's like, he's like, well that is actually like a perfect signal for, um, to, to like press in and, and, and ask like, what is it about this that.

[00:24:05] Is significant for

[00:24:07] you, 

[00:24:07] Cody: Mm-hmm . Yeah. Like what's resonating right now? What's

[00:24:09] Josiah: and, and, and, and when was the first time in your life when, when, you know, this, that you started feeling this way and, and, and what are the things that, that held us back before and just all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm starting to cry. damn it, like every time he makes me cry.

[00:24:27] Um, just because like, there's something there and I don't know what it is. And, uh, and it scares the hell out of me because I'm like, I don't want to do this in real time, you know, in a group and like, you know, It feels very, very vulnerable. Um, but, but it all had to do with this. Um, there's just something about this, this concept, uh, there's model of time, uh, and, and, and, and intuition that just keeps coming up for me.


Trusting Intuition in Life Decisions
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[00:25:01] Josiah: And I think a big part of that is that it's a, It played a major role in over the last few years, me rediscovering myself. And that's, that's a big part of the significance for me is that because I, I started, I started listening to my intuition and I did it. When, when the stakes were high, when like the whole world was, was trying to demonize me for the choices I was making.

[00:25:33] And, and I was like, I, I get it. I, but, but something's off here and I need to, I need to trust myself. And it was really fucking hard, but I did it anyway. And then, and then through that, I started to learn who I am. And went on this path of self discovery that led to me healing trauma and led to me, you know, uncovering like that, that inner creator and, and reconnecting with that part of myself that I thought had died and, and so.

[00:26:04] It's like this, it's a weird roundabout way to get there, but as, as I'm, as I was going through this, I'm realizing, oh, that's why this stuff just, that's why I keep getting like, I'm obsessed with this, these ideas is it's, it's what it's teaching me about myself and the way that it's changing. My, it's like expanding my model of reality in a way that also, um, for lack of a better word, like expands me spiritually or like my consciousness level to the point where I am.

[00:26:43] I, I see things from a different perspective. And that's, that's what I was trying to, I think, trying to explain before is like, you know, when we say now and we think of it as a dot, it's a very small now. But if you think of it as a, as if, because we're looking at it in 2d, right? And that's when I started trying to draw the gradient.

[00:27:03] But if you think about it, not as a dot, but you think about in 3d as a sphere. And, and so what now is, it's like me and now it's, it's, it's. You know, if it expands out in the horizontal, it's, it's time. If it expands in the vertical, it's like, it's like truth. And that's, and, and that's, or for lack of a better word, like my, my experience of like me, it's like, cause that's the only thing that I can actually validate is my own experience.

[00:27:31] Like all the rest of this could be a simulation, right? The only thing that I, that I know of is like, I'm experiencing something, right? That's the only thing that I can confirm. And, and so. And so that's why intuition is so important, because if you. If you convince yourself that you can't trust that, or you let others convince that you can't trust that, then that severely hampers your ability to discover who you are and to, and to step into your power.

[00:28:01] And, and that sounds really woo woo, but

[00:28:04] Cody: but it's like But I mean

[00:28:07] Josiah: but I mean that in a very, like real tangible way, because I felt. For a long time in my life, I felt very powerless and I felt very at the mercy of my circumstances and, and, you know, over the last 10 years, but the last two or three years, especially I've been, I've been like taking the reins of my own life.

[00:28:34] And, uh, and, and I would not have had the confidence to do that if I hadn't validated over and over that I can trust my intuition even when the world and all logic in the moment is telling me that I'm wrong

[00:28:51] Cody: Yeah.

[00:28:52] Josiah: and then I end up being right, right? It all, it all ends up working

[00:28:56] and aligns and, and, and that's actually like why I'm here right now doing this full time right now is because I, I listened to my intuition, my intuition last fall, um, and, and changed jobs and then got laid off,

[00:29:14] Cody: Yeah.

[00:29:14] Josiah: but got laid off in a different way than I would have gotten laid off in my last

[00:29:17] Cody: true. Yeah.

[00:29:18] Josiah: like a much, much better situation.

[00:29:21] Yeah. And, and it all comes back to actually one very specific decision where I had, I had filled out like 93 applications and I'd even actually applied to the job.

[00:29:31] Cody: mm-hmm

[00:29:32] Josiah: Um, through the proper application portal and then didn't hear anything. And, um, from any of those jobs, like it's the weirdest thing because I know my resident, my resume is at least good enough to have a phone call conversation, right?

[00:29:46] You know, like a phone screen. Um, but then the recruiter for this job. Uh, post I, because I had, I'd send him a connection request. He didn't accept it, but I was following him because of it. And he posted about the job again and posted this little graphic. And at the bottom it, it said, you know, apply through the website or, you know, send me an email here.

[00:30:07] I'm like, I had that like intuitive, you know, that intuitive zap of like, you should email him. And then immediately my analytical brain was like, I'm not going to email him. I've already applied through the website. Like, I'm just going to be, you know, bugging him or like, you know, it's just kind of right.

[00:30:24] And then, and then I stopped and I started to scroll and I was like, wait, hold on. That was, that was my intuition. It's going to take me like a couple of minutes. I'm just going to do it. And so I sent him an email, attached my resume and said, Hey, you know, I applied through so and so, but I saw your post and, um, and you know, here's like three bullet points on why I'm a perfect fit for this.

[00:30:51] Let me know if you're interested. And he responded within like 20 minutes. And I, we had a, an interview for the next day and then like two days later I was talking with the CEO of the company and then like the next week I was doing the next interview and it was like fast tracked. It was like a two week 

[00:31:06] Cody: Yeah 

[00:31:07] Josiah: get like from initial touch point all the way through.

[00:31:09] And it was like, you know, and, and if I hadn't listened to my intuition, that wouldn't have happened. And I would have been done. In a very different situation that that would have been a bit of much, much less obvious to me that I, that it was the universe saying, okay, now's the time to be a creator full time.

[00:31:31] And I'm not saying that it wouldn't have happened, but it,

[00:31:36] it,

[00:31:36] would, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have learned sort of the same lessons that I had learned, not just this, but other things I had learned in that process, if I hadn't. Listen to my intuition on that and a few other things last fall. Uh, and so it's just, it's really interesting how that starts to play out when you, when you're operating from this place and again, uh, you know.

[00:32:02] The one of my new favorite phrases is like, uh, all models are wrong. Some models are useful. Right. And I'm not even saying that like the, the model that I'm trying to describe is reality. It doesn't matter if it is or not, because it's a model that I'm using that is useful to me right And it's helping me if I wasn't using this model.

[00:32:24] I would miss these like little synchronicities, and it's because it's, it's, it's, it's training my, my mind to be more aware of my present moment and the things around me and look for signals. And when I find them, then I start to recognize patterns. And it's just, it's really interesting where before I think the patterns were there.

[00:32:48] I just couldn't see them because I wasn't paying attention, but now that I'm paying more attention I'm starting to see more and really little like little weird things are happening. So

[00:32:58] Cody: like, what do you mean by patterns? 

[00:33:00] Josiah: So

[00:33:04] did I tell you the story about the shopping cart and the ice? 

[00:33:09] Cody: No,

[00:33:09] this sounds like a really great sermon

[00:33:11] Josiah: Oh, yeah, I I thought

[00:33:13] Cody: going 

[00:33:16] Josiah: I had I thought I think I was going to tell this story I don't remember when we actually recorded the intuition episode it might happen after Um, so I've been

[00:33:27] And at this point I bought a, I bought a cold plunge to try at the house and I wanted to go get ice for it. It was like a Saturday and I had been,

[00:33:42] I had been, uh, kind of wrestling with a pretty significant life decision for a while. And this was one of those things where it's like, it's a big decision.

[00:33:55] And. My intuition is telling me one direction, but I really want to go the other direction because it's, it, it will make my life so much more simple and easy and at least temporarily enjoyable.

[00:34:14] and I'm like,

[00:34:16] I really wanted to figure out like how I can prove my intuition wrong. And I had, I had all but like made the decision that I was going to go in the opposite direction. And, uh, And then Saturday, this Saturday morning, I woke up with like an ocular migraine and it was like behind my left eye felt like someone was stabbing 

[00:34:45] Cody: someone was stabbing me. 

[00:34:47] Josiah: And

[00:34:47] it was awful. And I, um, I went, I went in my office and, um, did some self hypnosis to try to like, uh, see if I could get like through relaxation or whatever.

[00:35:03] I could kind of alleviate some of this stuff. And I went into it with the intention of like, okay. Rather than trying to fix it, I'm going to just let myself be curious and, and, and like, you know, observe and, you know, let myself feel it and just see what, you know, see if that helps me kind of move through it rather

[00:35:28] Cody: Yeah, it's very 

[00:35:29] Josiah: Yeah.

[00:35:30] And, and so I did that in a very. Weird thing came from it where as soon as I went into that state, I had this, um, this intuitive, it sounds so strange to say this out loud, this intuitive sense that some myself from the future or my higher self seeing the future was trying to get my attention.

[00:35:55] Cody: Okay.

[00:35:56] Josiah: And, uh, and that it was very important that I listened to my intuition in this decision.

[00:36:04] And I wasn't even like, I didn't go into this.

[00:36:07] Even thinking about that decision, but it all just kind of came to me of like, this pain is to try to get my attention so that I don't make this decision the wrong way. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, that's just like a, that's a, like, I'm uncomfortable with

[00:36:24] Cody: That's way out

[00:36:25] Josiah: I'm uncomfortable with this, but you know what? I said, I'm going to be open and I'm just like, okay, well, let's, let's assume this is true for a little bit. All right. Um, You know, let's roll with it. Let's see what happens. Okay. And, and I'm like, okay, well then I, you know, I will, I'll, I will stay true to my intuition.

[00:36:48] I will not make this decision. Uh, I don't want to say what the decision is. I'll, I'll tell you all fair. Um, but it. I will, um, I, and, and then within, um, think part of the reason why I'm so uncomfortable with this is because it sounds very similar to I grew up

[00:37:12] Cody: Yeah,

[00:37:13] Josiah: and I don't, I don't like that.

[00:37:15] Cody: Yeah,

[00:37:16] Josiah: Um, yeah, but like there's all this sort of like, uh, religious dogma that was wrapped around, around it, that, that I don't. I just don't subscribe to anymore. And so it's hard to have this conversation and, and talk about these things without that coming up for me internally. Um, and then, and this was true then as well when I was experiencing this.

[00:37:40] So I, I'm like, okay, I'm going to just practice listening to my intuition. Um, yeah. And maybe that will help me

[00:37:50] feel

[00:37:50] more confident in trusting it in this big decision. And, um, and so, you know, I, I did that and then. You know, like an hour went by and by the, you know, shortly, it was shortly after I, the, the migraine started to alleviate, I'm like, okay, I want to try out this, uh, this new, um, cold plunge that I got, I'm gonna go get some ice for it.

[00:38:15] And, uh, and there are two stores near my house. There's the food city and then there's Publix. Um, and I got an ice from food city before, so I knew what the price was. Uh, and, um,

[00:38:31] and,

[00:38:33] and so I, I'm trying to remember this now. This is okay. So I, I think what happened was I.

[00:38:44] I

[00:38:44] intuitively was going to go to, or I was just kind of like out of habit going to go to Food City first, um, and then I was like, I wonder what the price is of ice at Publix.

[00:38:57] Um, and so I decided to go to Publix first. And. In that I,

[00:39:05] Um, that's,

[00:39:07] that's what it was. It was, it was, I was listening. I had this little intuitive sense of like, go to Publix. I didn't know why I'm like, I got, I'm just gonna be, you know, I'm gonna see what the price of the ice is. So I go to Publix and I'm taking way too long to tell the story.

[00:39:18] I feel like, and then, uh, I start to go in and I notice, um, but. At the entrance, uh, kind of over off to the side, there's, um, a guy in a wheelchair. He's like a young ish guy. He's probably like in his thirties. Um, he has a dog and he is, um, like creating, drawing and painting watercolors, um, for money. And, and I had this, uh, this intuitive sense of like, I need to go talk to him, but I didn't want to do that.

[00:39:52] So I just went in the store

[00:39:54] and, uh, and I went and checked the ice and it was like twice as expensive at Publix, of course. Um, and so then I came back out and started walking to the car and then it was like, go talk to him. I'm like, damn it. And. And so I went and talked and, and all, all this too, is like very, like similar to like feeling like you're hearing the Holy Spirit talk.

[00:40:14] Like, this is another reason why this is so hard.

[00:40:16] Cody: Well, I've always said, even when I was in Christianity, I just, I said that, you know, into, you know, God's God speaking to you might just be your own intuition.

[00:40:26] I've always considered that. Like, it's just, you, you know, our intuition. Anyway, go on. I'll, I'll say

[00:40:32] Josiah: Yeah. So, uh, I, I, um, so I go, I go talk to him and the whole time too. It's like, I'm trying to make sense of it, you know? So I'm like, I'm looking for like what profound revelation am I going to get from all this stuff? Uh, and of course it doesn't come, but I go and I talked to him and, and he has a, um, Like this really cool, like sort of abstract.

[00:40:53] Um, uh, I guess it was a print of a, of a, of a drawing that he did of downtown with like the aquarium and the, the bridge and stuff. Um, and I really liked it. It was like 20 bucks. I'm like, yeah, I'll, you know, I'll send him a Venmo or whatever. And this anyways, this whole process like took a few minutes and, uh, cause I didn't have any cash on me.

[00:41:14] And then I had to download like the, like the cash app or something. It was like this whole thing. And, and then I finally go and I get in. The car and I'm like, well, that was, whatever.

[00:41:28] Like I need ice. I'm just going to go to food city now. And I go to food city and I'm pulling up and, um, I, I start to ask myself how many bags of ice am I going to get?

[00:41:42] Like I start to have this thought in my head. And before I even finished the thought. It's like 10. I need 10 bags of ice.

[00:41:51] Cody: Yeah. Sounds

[00:41:53] Josiah: okay. I'm like, all right, 10 bags of ice. All right, fine.


First Cold Plunge Experience
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[00:41:56] Cody: This is your first time doing the cold plunge in this thing? Okay. Yeah.

[00:41:59] Josiah: And I didn't know how many I would

[00:42:00] Cody: actually need for this. 

[00:42:02] Josiah: Um, and so I go in

[00:42:03] Cody: is expensive for ice.

[00:42:05] Yeah. Because ice is expensive now. 

[00:42:08] Josiah: Uh, I didn't keep the cold plunge.

[00:42:10] Um, I actually got a chiller for it. And it worked really well, but then like at first and then the chillers stopped working. And it was like, yeah. So I, I had like one day left to return. And I'm like, no, I'm, I'm not dealing with this. 


The Ice Cooler Coincidence
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[00:42:20] Josiah: Um, so I go up and I, uh, I go to pay and I tell them I need 10 bags of ice and, you know, the cashier and, you know, I pay, he hands me the receipt and I start to walk over to the ice cooler.

[00:42:38] As I'm walking up to the ice cooler, another employee comes from outside, like around the corner, walking up with a cart full of ice that he had gotten to fill up the ice cooler. And I was like, um,

[00:42:55] Cody: I know where this is

[00:42:56] Josiah: yeah, I was, I was like, Oh, Hey, I was about to get some ice. I need 10 bags. He's like, Oh, I have exactly 10 bags right here in a, in a cart ready. And it was one of those things where I'm like, this is so stupid and absurd. That it got my attention of like, if any, any number of these little things in this whole process had been different, the timing would have been completely off if I had picked a different bag or a different number of bags, like, what did that have happened?

[00:43:25] And there's like, there's no, there's no consequence to this. Right. 


Trusting Intuition and Patterns
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[00:43:30] Josiah: And this is why I think I was getting at in the episode of like, it's these little things where. It, it, if you, if you can like trust your intuition when like, it's like little things like this, I think that what that does is it, it, it's like a, it's like a small feedback loop that then just gets that habit and that practice and you can look at the story and you can be like, you know, you could run some sort of probability odds, but you can't like, I look at it and I'm like, just, there's something about it that, that feels. Like something else was going on there. And, and I'm not, I'm not ascribing like any, is that the right word? I don't know. I'm not, I'm not assigning like any sort of like spiritual or, uh, anything like that piece to it, but because I actually think that I have, of course I have like theories on mechanically how this could work in a, in a,

[00:44:30] Cody: in a, In

[00:44:31] Josiah: in a certain universe structure, but, um.

[00:44:34] But I just thought it was really interesting and it stuck with me. And I think that that was the point is that it was one of those things that it was weird and quirky and out of the ordinary that I will remember it forever. And. And, and so, but it's, it's like just enough to where I remember it and I'll remember the lesson, but like not so much that it, it makes it, it's like a, it's like, it has to be small in order for me to do it on a regular basis.

[00:45:01] You know what I mean? Like it's, if it's like, it's, there's always huge stakes. It feels like it's something that, you know, I wouldn't, um, it would be

[00:45:09] Cody: you're not going to play around

[00:45:10] Josiah: Right. Right. And, and so that was my very long story of like. And this is just like one example. So you asked me like patterns, this is what I mean.

[00:45:20] It's, it's when I start playing around with this, um, you, you can design, you sort of design tests for yourself and, and run those tests and just see what happened if you, if you just take the model and, and. Think about it. Um, and just like, just assume that it's true for a little while and design some tests and see what happens.

[00:45:42] And if nothing happens, then great. Um, but if you start noticing patterns, that's an interesting data point. And so it gives you threads to pull on, to start experimenting and doing more. And in all of this, for me, it helps me uncover, um, sort of my relationship with. My environment in a way, it's like, what is the nature of my relationship with others and with, um, with my environment in that, like, am I this sort of singular entity that is an island disconnected from everything else?

[00:46:17] Or is there some connection there that is, is something that is. Is not seen or known in a traditional sense and can I explore that and and so that's how I like to think about these 

[00:46:34] Cody: think you're, I think you're in a really great place to do shrooms.

[00:46:38] Josiah: You keep telling me that.

[00:46:39] Cody: No, but like, cause like every time I've ever heard of anybody like doing like shrooms or acid, they always come back with a similar story of seeing like. mind and how we're all connected to each other. And they, like, they, they see that like invisible connection. I've always wanted to do like a heavier dose, like on, in a controlled environment to see how that would be.

[00:47:00] Um, but before I go too far, I want to ask, so are you ever afraid that, or is this ever a concern in your mind when seeing patterns that maybe you're just making it all up like this idea that like people see patterns where they want to see patterns, it's like how people make religions. That's the 

[00:47:27] Josiah: And like that, I'm trying to validate actually, it's, it's like, cause it's much easier if I can tell myself, Oh, I'm just making this up then because there, there's no implications for that, you know, it's just like, Oh, this is fun. I'm making this up, you know, there's no, there's no like profound.

[00:47:43] Profoundness behind it.

[00:47:45] That would cause me to have to shift something about my worldview if that's what it is. And so that, that actually is the first thing that I, I look at. And, and so, and, and so that's why I'm saying it's important to figure out a model that you can test because if you can find, if you, if you can, um, if you can.

[00:48:09] falsify or unfalsify certain, uh, like if you can make little predictions, run a little tests and then they end up actually working, then that gives you some evidence, I'm not saying it proves anything, but it gives you some evidence that, Oh, maybe this isn't just me making stuff up. And, and like, I, I also think that there's a. You know, I know there is a phenomenon around that, but I also question like when that usually comes from a place of like the universe is random and, and, and so these, these patterns are, are just us like finding imaginary signal in the noise.

[00:48:53] But

[00:48:54] I think that that's a pretty, pretty big assumption that randomness actually exists. And, and that we, there aren't just larger patterns that we just don't have the ability to.

[00:49:09] To piece together and with our cognitive capacity. Right. And like, cause if you, even if you look at like, um, what we call random. It, when we're talking about like randomly generating, like a random number, rate number generator machine and stuff like that, all of that isn't actually

[00:49:29] Cody: that isn't 

[00:49:30] Josiah: Um,

[00:49:31] like when you look at like how functions are created in code to produce random things. You can't actually like there's there's always constraints. It's not truly random. And so and so like you we we assume that that it's all chaos and it's all it's all randomness. And I think part of that is like that doesn't call us to consider a higher order structure. And and so I. I like to, I like to kind of hold both of those and, and not just let myself fall into the um, cynical, it's all nonsense 


Exploring Reincarnation and Higher Systems
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[00:50:25] Cody: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm, I'm in a, I'm in a strong push right now to try to believe in reincarnation. And if that's the case, there's got to be some kind of higher system of, of, of, of existence. Um, not like maybe not necessarily legitimately, but I'm exploring it the same way you explore different models and different things.

[00:50:41] I like the idea of it and it's in, and the stories are very interesting to me. Um, there's a great book I'm reading right now called old souls. It was written in the early 2000s before the internet was a thing and, uh, in everyday life anyway. And, uh, I, so he actually wrote it in the nineties, um, and he, it's a, it's a whole book about this journalist who goes on this trip to India with this guy who studied reincarnation and was like the leading guy at it.

[00:51:06] Um, for like 30 years and had all these collections of stories and stuff and that, and he had a very like scientific approach to it and it was, but it's like the more scientific he got, the more interesting the stories became, right? Like it's like, well, shit, now we can't, we can't disprove lots of these things.

[00:51:23] Like it doesn't make any sense. Um, and it's really interesting. Um, but, uh, so I had so many things that I was thinking when you were talking just now, like in terms. Yeah, what number am I thinking of right now? Intuitively, what do you HOLY

[00:51:41] Josiah: shit! I've

[00:51:43] Cody: I've been thinking that over for so long! Oh my god, that's so good!

[00:51:48] Josiah: my god, that's so good! That's the

[00:51:54] Cody: I kinda was expecting it. That's the weird part, is this whole time I'm like, if I ask him what I'm, whatever I'm thinking, is he gonna say

[00:51:59] four? Like, I was 

[00:52:00] Josiah: is, he's going

[00:52:03] Cody: still like, that's so good. Oh my god. Um

[00:52:07] Josiah: god. Um, so,

[00:52:09] Cody: Ha ha ha

[00:52:10] ha 

[00:52:10] Josiah: is, there's, I don't, oh, I'm having, I'm having trouble. I'm having trouble forming words because I'm, I keep like stopping myself. Um,

[00:52:21] and I need to just like let it go of. I think, I think the hesitation is, is that I don't want to be seen as someone who, I guess, I think that the way that I grew up in religion and, um, you know, it's kind of termed magical thinking, right?

[00:52:53] and,

[00:52:54] after deconstructing out of that, there was a stigma around this idea of magical thinking and which, which, you know, the opposite side of that is just like materialist reductionist view of the world where only the grit is, is all that there is.

[00:53:09] And, um, and. But that never really sat well with me. There was just, there's, there's something else there. And, but, but it wasn't the, it wasn't the frame through which I, I grew up in. And, but I, I, I always had this, um, fear that people were going to see me as a magical thinker, which the way that. That has been used is, uh, in the past is someone who's just dumb and easily fooled.

[00:53:41] And, um, and so I think that that is, that's still those like kind of old stories that, that come in unconsciously when I start to, when I start to venture into certain possibilities and talk through things that, um, I. I don't have like a, a firm, like concept or like model for that, uh, that I can explain well, because then I'm like, they're just going to think that I am just, I have magical thinking because I can't explain the, the, the rigorous thought process behind it.

[00:54:16] Um, Or like what's going on like internally. I can't make like put into words. Well, and so I think that's always the hesitation in this. So I'm, but I'm just going to like go through. I, I have this, I, and I know this is something that people talk about. And, and, and this is another thing too. It's like, I don't mean it in, um, in like a generic, there's like a, there's like a, a specific sort of, Almost body sense of this, of like, we're, we're entering into, uh, a new paradigm as, uh, like as humanity and, and the, like the woowoo culture calls it like raising consciousness.

[00:54:55] Cody: Mm-hmm

[00:54:56] Josiah: And I think that that, like, I think there's something to that conceptually. Um, but I think that there's a, I just get the sense that there's, there's actually like a mechanistic. Like if you approach certain things scientifically, like you could figure out a mechanism for this in, in like a collective consciousness, um, sort of accessing like the next octave up right in this, in this frequency that you're reverberating at.

[00:55:24] Right. And, and in, in this, I. I'm just way more open to weird, like quote unquote weird things than I've ever been in the past, like since I left religion, basically, um, where if you look at like things like quote unquote predicting the future and, um, psychic abilities and stuff like that, that was very closed off to before I feel like there's more and more Like evidence that's coming into the collective consciousness and the mainstream that is, is opening up people to this idea.

[00:56:02] And I, I really, like, I suspect I don't have any firm beliefs on this, but I suspect that it, it is a latent ability that we've have as a species that as we developed language has been kind of almost going dormant, like we have it at a low level and we just have not. Learn to like access it again. 


The Telepathy Tapes and Nonverbal Communication
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[00:56:25] Josiah: And I say this because there are things like the telepathy tapes.

[00:56:29] Um, have you listened to that podcast at all? Or so it's, it's a study that was done with, um, autistic kids who are nonverbal, who can read people's minds. And um, yeah,

[00:56:44] Cody: is a podcast?

[00:56:45] Josiah: yeah, there's a, I, I didn't listen to the podcast, but I watched, um, I watched a couple of interviews with the lady who did the podcast. Um, just like really good.

[00:56:55] Cody: Followed. Subscribed.

[00:56:57] Josiah: and, um, and, and there's something about the being nonverbal that allows them to sort of access this, this realm. And they literally talk about the, like so many of like from different places, talk about going to meet on the hill and they meet. Yeah. They meet these other autistic, nonverbal kids in a place somewhere that is not physical because they have conversations and they hang out and then they like, but they're physically separated.

[00:57:23] And then like

[00:57:24] Cody: I've heard of this, I, this sounds familiar to

[00:57:26] Josiah: then there are, um, like the, these parents who like legit, their kids are reading their minds and. And like can accurately like do it 100 percent of the time and, and they were afraid to say anything until this lady started like, you know, publishing stuff about it. And then all of a sudden all these parents came out of the woodwork of like, Oh my God, I've been experiencing this and I didn't want to say anything.

[00:57:51] And,

[00:57:51] Cody: to say

[00:57:52] Josiah: so it's, it's a, it's a much more prevalent thing than I think that anyone realized. Um, and you know, let's assume that this is all legit and true for a moment. What are the implications of that? And like, What, what are some hypotheses around like, what could be the mechanism for this? And like that, that's where my brain starts to go.

[00:58:15] Like, okay, let's, this is what I mean when I say like, just believe it for a minute. Okay. And, and put that aside. Does, does that give you, and like, does that give you the ability to then to start, um, formulating a model for how it might work? And then. Whether or not the model is right, at least it gives you a starting point for, for figuring out like, you know, how could we test this?

[00:58:38] And my understanding, I mean, if you go and like, look it up, I think, um,

[00:58:42] um,

[00:58:43] when I tried to steel man against it. It wasn't very good. Um, but they quote unquote debunked it, but it wasn't, it wasn't at all debunked.

[00:58:51] Cody: debunked. Like,

[00:58:51] Josiah: um, the, and it was, it was because basically the way they do this all the time, when it's something that it, it, it contradicts the current sort of paradigm.

[00:59:04] They, they say, oh, we, we, we need much more data and very controlled specific setting in order for, for us to have any kind of like. You can say there's any kind of strong evidence and they're like, well, we want to do this, but there are complications because these autistic kids are very sensitive and like you have to do in a very specific way and then we got to get funding for it.

[00:59:22] And it's like, who's going to fund it? And it's like, there's all this stuff. Um, rather than saying, okay, actually, this is a really strong signal. Let's use that signal to actually explore it. It's like, Oh, we're going to dismiss the signal because we don't have. The evidence in the way that we say we need it, but we're not going to help kind of get that evidence, right?

[00:59:43] It's, it's an easy way to dismiss it. And that's how so many things get, get done. But that's an example of,

[00:59:48] Cody: That's how autism itself was dismissed

[00:59:50] Josiah: right,

[00:59:51] Cody: decades ago. Right? Yeah. When, when I was a kid, that wasn't even a, a diagnosis. You could have one, I guess it's not a diagnosis now again in America at least, but, um, but yeah, it wasn't even a diagnosis, so my brother never got it and he should have been

[01:00:04] Josiah: So it was just, it just, it's interesting too.

[01:00:06] Like. What actually then is autism

[01:00:09] Cody: mm-hmm . Yeah. Um,

[01:00:10] Josiah: and is it, are they actually, are they actually operating in a, a higher, like a higher level of consciousness that we can't really.

[01:00:21] And, and so to us, it looks like they're not functioning very well, but they're actually just functioning on a much higher level. And, and we just, we don't see it.

[01:00:30] And, uh, and so like, those are the kinds of questions that I'm really interested in. So that's one. And then like, dude, uh, so this is like really, really out there. Uh,

[01:00:45] For a while, um, I've been, you know, cause I've been obsessed with conspiracy theories and there's one guy that I've just been fascinated with, um, for a long time.

[01:00:55] And so I've been following him just because I want it. He, he, he, he doesn't have like, I'd say he probably has like a. You know, a 60 percent hit rate maybe on the stuff that he says. Um, but that's not why I, I'm following like when you, when you understand his process, that actually makes sense. Um, but he always, he always like he's, he, he's so far out there in the way that he thinks that he, he's always like getting me to think about certain things differently, just like a different approach.

[01:01:25] I'm like, I would never have considered that. Like, let's play with that idea for a minute. Right. Um, and, uh, so his name is, his name is Cliff High and he. His story is basically he's a psychonaut, um,

[01:01:41] Cody: What's a psychonaut?

[01:01:42] Josiah: psychonaut is an explorer of, of, of the hyper, of the, um, of the hyperverse where you go when you take Shrooms and different substances like that is what he calls it.

[01:01:55] Cody: Okay. I love that.

[01:01:56] Josiah: and, and so he, he was a software engineer, um, worked for like IBM and Microsoft back in the seventies and eighties. And, um, and government contractor, he grew up, uh, in the, uh, his dad was in the military, so he grew up like traveling all over the world, bases and stuff.

[01:02:13] Cody: and stuff. 

[01:02:14] Josiah: and, uh, anyway, he.

[01:02:18] he, he did that and, uh, he's also, he's also actually died three or four times. Um, and so it's had near death experiences and has come back and, uh, but when, what he wanted to do to test whether or not this realm was real, it was like, could I go to this realm and learn something, like bring something back that then I could actually use in the real world? Um. And so he, he did that and what he brought back was, um, an algorithm and the idea behind it is, like, so the hypothesis behind it is that we actually all have latent psi abilities, um, and that We don't even realize it that as major events are kind of like starting to materialize in the time stream ahead of us, um, it shows up in our collective language, uh, as markers.

[01:03:15] And so he brought back, uh, an algorithm that could start like. Making sense of those markers to make predictions. And so he, um, he predicted nine 11. He predicted, uh, COVID he predicted like, um, Bitcoin and like all this stuff. But the way that it shows up is like in specific language that you, it's hard to know exactly what, especially the farther out it goes, it's hard to know exactly what it's going to be until it shows up and it's like, Oh, that's what this language meant.

[01:03:44] Like, like COVID was like sun disease. That kept showing up and it was around all these other different markers and it's like, Oh, coronavirus, but as it like fits it within a certain timeframe that it, it, it, it sounds crazy, but the way like, and it's, it's definitely not an exact science by any means. Um, but.

[01:04:06] I've listened to him because I want to, I want to like listen to what he has to say and hear what he's predicting to see like what actually happens. And there've been some things where I'm like, dude, he was spot on with that. And, uh, one of the things that just like shook me was. Um, the assassination attempt on Trump, like three months before he gave almost to like, I think it was like the exact date.

[01:04:35] It may have been a day off. There's always like a window in there. Um, but all the, cause he didn't say specifically what was going to happen, but he was like, this event is going to occur and here's all the language that's showing up, that's describing it. Here's my hypothesis about what, what it is.

[01:04:48] Cody: is. Um, yeah.

[01:04:53] Josiah: he, he, he wrote these web bots that would scrape the internet. Um, and it's a lot harder to do now because of how much they censor it. But, um, but that's, yeah, he's basically just massive 

[01:05:03] Cody: Hmm. 

[01:05:04] Josiah: Um, and, and runs it through all these algorithms. Um, and. And like, it was, it was spot on. And so there was him.

[01:05:11] And then there was another video that showed up, uh, and it was on YouTube, like a few months before as well, where this was like a religious one. Um, like a charismatic Pentecostal type guy who had a dream or a vision and very clearly said that Trump was shot in the ear and like describe the scene. And it was like 90%. And this was like a few months beforehand. And I'm like, what the F like, I, that stuff just messes with my head. Cause I'm like, what do I do with that? You know? And, and then, and then if you start to open up, you realize that all, there's actually a lot of evidence for this kind of stuff. And, um, there's a guy that, uh, some of the, some of the stuff that I was, um, like the language that I was using in this episode came from, um.

[01:05:59] guy, I think he wrote, he wrote a book, I think it's called time loops. That's where he was talking about like temporal non locality and retro causality. And, um, and the, I don't remember if this, there's a lot of stuff where I like learned a lot of different things and I kind of piece them together. I don't remember exactly where everything came from, but the, the kind of working hypothesis is from when my understanding is, is like, there are these, um, Microtubules in our brains.

[01:06:28] Um, and it's a specific structure. Um, I think they, if I remember correctly, like they encase the neurons or something like that. Um, but the, the way that they're structured actually, uh, Acts like a quantum computer. So it's like we have a, we have a, um, sort of traditional computer. It's like our brain is like a mixture of like a traditional computer and a quantum computer.

[01:06:52] And the, the way that, um, a quantum computer works is it works in superposition. So like a traditional computer, it's all binary ones and zeros, but a super position as is,

[01:07:04] it's, it's, it's basically one or zero or not one or not zero. And it's like. It's hard to explain. It's like it's, it's in like different, like multiple states at once.

[01:07:13] Um,

[01:07:15] and 

[01:07:15] Cody: there's a whole show based on this

[01:07:17] Josiah: Okay, good.

[01:07:17] Cody: called dark matter.

[01:07:18] Josiah: Oh, I haven't watched. Oh, I watched, I watched like the first

[01:07:21] Cody: so good 

[01:07:22] Josiah: Um, and, and so, so the, I, the kind of working hypothesis with that is that, um, That it, it, it works through like quantum tunneling and spatial non locality because that's how, um, quantum entanglement Right. And yeah, I know. So I, I, I, I can't go through and explain what, how quantum entanglement works right now. Um, but, but essentially like the, the idea then is like. Because space space time is sort of one thing that if something is spatially non local, it would, and which, which they, so I think it was the, the, if I remember correctly, the Nobel prize in 2022 was, was for like proving like, like, like non local, like non locally.

[01:08:17] Um, that the reality like base reality is non local. Um, and, and so like if, if, if space is spatially non local, then it, it could also be temporally non local, which means that quantum, um, quantum computers are actually, um, accessing, um, Uh, time outside of like the present time and while they're doing these computations and that's how they do it.

[01:08:45] Cody: Whoa. Oh, I've heard this. Yes, I've heard this, that theory. Yeah.

[01:08:48] Josiah: Yeah. So that, so, so it, that's a theory on how quantum computers work, but if these micro microtubules

[01:08:56] in our brains act as a type of quantum computer, then that gives us the ability to then also access outside of the present time. All right. Um, so that's what it means by temporally non local and, and so, um,

[01:09:13] It's fascinating to me because if, if there's something to this, then it just changes everything. And so then I wonder like, how long have we known that this was a thing and is there a stigma around it because. It actually is real. 


Remote Viewing and Quantum Theories
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[01:09:38] Josiah: Like if you look at, um, you go back to, so remote viewing, this is something I think you and I have talked about that you're like highly skeptical of.

[01:09:46] I don't know.

[01:09:47] Cody: I don't remember.

[01:09:48] Josiah: So remote viewing is the idea that you can, um, you can sit down and, um, and basically access information, uh, Non locally spatially and temporally so you can sit down a remote view and you you have it has to be double blind and you're given a target you don't know anything about it and and you you go through this process if it's done right you go through this process that then Allows you to observe and and write down what you observe and then they test it and see like how accurate it is and there's some people that have a very very high like 90 plus percent

[01:10:25] And, um, this is something that was really pioneered.

[01:10:29] I think they did a lot in Russia during the Cold War, but, um, here in the States, it was at the Stanford Research Institute. Like, uh, Hal Puthoff and, um, I'm Uh, Russell Targ, maybe. And, uh, And then the, like, there were Joe McMonigle and Uri Geller and some other guys are kind of like the original remote viewers.

[01:10:52] And this was all funded by like the DOD, um, and stuff for many, many years and was used to like operationally. To, um, like Joe McMonigle actually won like this medal of valor or something uh, for it. And, but, but then they, they shut it down quote unquote, because they couldn't get any real results from it.

[01:11:20] But I think that like, they just moved the program because as people found out about it, they moved the program into dark and said that it was nothing to it because there's actually something to it. And, and so there's this idea then that, okay, let's, let's extrapolate this out a little bit where, um, Let's assume that this is true.

[01:11:39] What does that actually mean? It means that there's no such thing as secrets,

[01:11:44] Cody: right? Yeah 

[01:11:45] Josiah: right? Um, Which

[01:11:48] means that if we can develop abilities that then allow us to experience truth for ourselves,

[01:11:55] then

[01:11:57] There's no controlling us, you know, from a governmental structure, right? Um, and so there are huge implications for that, right?

[01:12:05] So that's one thing. Number two is, uh, let's, let's assume that we can

[01:12:14] Where was I going with Oh, uh, it had something to do with the

[01:12:21] telepathy tapes 

[01:12:22] Cody: Sorry listener, this is unedited.

[01:12:25] Josiah: Oh, let's be honest. No one's listening at this point.

[01:12:28] Cody: that's probably true.

[01:12:30] Josiah: Um, but

[01:12:32] so,

[01:12:33] so, so basically like, what are the implications of, of this?

[01:12:38] Like it fundamentally changes. Oh, the other, the other thing that I remember now, so one, like some of the people that, um, Uh, that were in these telepathy tapes, they could just like learn languages instantly. Um, like one of the girls learned Egyptian hieroglyphics from an ancient Egyptian priest that she met in this realm.

[01:13:02] Like just instantly and came back and knew how to do all this stuff. And if this is real, like if this is true, and this would also explain like how like certain savants just have the ability to play like Mozart. You know, or, or just like do crazy math in their heads. Like all of a sudden, right. It might explain some of that where it's like, you're, you're not accessing something that's like your brain's not generating it.

[01:13:21] You're accessing something that is like a collective consciousness level thing where you can just kind of download it, like the matrix. Right. Um, and if that's true, then that just like. It, it gets rid of, like, we're no longer in the age of authority. Like there is no, there is authority outside of myself because I can access truth for myself.

[01:13:40] I can, I can learn anything I want. Right. And, and I can become like the self sovereign person. And that's, you know, that is a completely different. Humanity, you know, at that

[01:13:52] Cody: attractive to a five

[01:13:53] Josiah: right? Right, exactly.

[01:13:56] Cody: You have a disdain for authority as a five winged

[01:13:59] Josiah: Very much so, yeah. 

[01:14:01] Cody: Um,

[01:14:01] yeah, I, there was a, there was a guy when I was a teenager and was, um, I was in definitely in the Christian music scene at the time, was signed to a Christian label and uh, and I, through the label, I met this guy who was like super involved in Christian things. But I think he was, it was interesting because he.

[01:14:22] I think he had stumbled on to ideas and concepts that were way beyond the idea of God, but he just attributed them to God. So I wrote it off, but like the older I get and the more I hear about things, the more I think back to some of the conversations he was at the time. I mean, I was probably 18 or 19.

[01:14:40] So like, you know, we're talking 20 years ago, he was like 60 something. I think he died in like 2015. But his name was David Vancouver. And I don't know if I've ever talked to him about him on the show before, but, um, Um, he, he was kind of a wild guy when I met him. He invited him, invited us over to his house and took me into a room that was just filled.

[01:15:02] I'm talking like twice the size of this room, like massive room just filled floor to ceiling of records and tapes and CDs and all these things. And he said, I invented a sound that's on one of, it's on one, it's one track at least of all of these albums throughout history and it went back all the way because he is one of the original inventors of the synth.

[01:15:24] He met a guy named Bob Moog and helped Bob Moog develop the Moog Synthesizer, which is one of the most world renowned, like, original synths. And so he's also the one who invented the compact disc, the original, the original patent for it. And he, but he did it for the government when they were afraid of like cold war and stuff.

[01:15:43] And they were putting information on big discs to put in submarines under the water. Right. That's what, but that same concept, that same patent was later designed into the idea of a CD, a compact disc. Um, and he, He, he developed all these different things. He, he, he was very good with theremins and things like that, you know, like spatial things.

[01:16:03] Um, but there was this time where he also had died multiple times. Um, and one time he died and, uh, he was dead for multiple minutes. And, um, when he said, when he was there, it was a place that was, he was in a different place. He said, it felt like almost like he was in just like a mist and he could hear all of these sounds and he was very conscious of what was happening.

[01:16:26] And he could hear all these sounds that he'd never heard before. And he came back when he came back to, he was like, I have to know. What those sounds are like, this was music made on a plane that he had never heard before that didn't go by our, our understanding of music is like the 12 notes and like the math of music.

[01:16:45] Right. And so he tried to design it. I wish I could remember what it was called, but he ended up designing it based on the idea of the table of elements. Um, and he was able to create an instrument that played the sounds that he heard. And I think it was, uh, what's Victor Wooten's brother's name. I can't remember, um, the drummer, he bought it.

[01:17:02] And so he has that instrument. Um, so he has the prototype of it. And so, um, but there's all these people, all these people and all these things that he's, he's, he's kind of like had his hands in at different times through the idea, and it was like a lot of his career was around music, but he's a scientist, he had, he had done different.

[01:17:21] Um, he had, he tried to do like, uh, I remember he'd say something about a, uh, experiment that they did where they tried to purify water with different environments without using any purification process. Or if like they take water that's already clean and it degred, you know, it would, um, Degrade in, in, uh, in, in certain environments while, you know, purifying itself and other environments and like different things, like he's done all different kinds of stuff.

[01:17:46] And I think a lot of stuff he was, you know, like you said, 60 percent of the time, right? Like you're off on some things as anybody would be, um, you, you fought, you can't follow every thread, but, um, but yeah, it's just interesting. It's just, it's, it's odd. It talks about that, that different plane, that different plane of consciousness, um, and that way too, that kind of access is different.

[01:18:05] different parts of, of, um, of who we are. Um, I also don't, I've wondered too, if it's like, the more familiar you are with the person, the easier it is, or you just don't realize it in terms of like reading other people's minds.

[01:18:22] Josiah: Yeah. Yeah. 


Personal Experiences with Psychic Phenomena
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[01:18:23] Josiah: Like, Oh my God. I, I, I really think that Amy is a psychic, like. She just, she can read my mind.

[01:18:32] Like the very first time, um, I said, I love you to her was in my head and she heard me like, and, and we were dating like a week and we were making out and we 

[01:18:48] Cody: Dude, I 

[01:18:51] Josiah: Yeah.

[01:18:51] Um, Like, I mean, I opened up a savings account for an engagement ring the day before our first date. So

[01:18:58] Cody: it, so yes. Yeah, that's right.

[01:19:01] I forgot that. It's 

[01:19:04] Josiah: and like, I, uh, I looked at her and in my head, I said it just like intuitively without, uh, you know, with, before I realized it and then her, her face, as soon as I said it. Like I could tell she heard me and I, and then I was like freaked out. I'm like what? And like, and then, and then, so I'm like, well, she heard me, I guess I have to say it out loud. So then I said it out loud. And then it was like the longest pause I think of my entire life. And then she said it back,

[01:19:37] Cody: Oh, wow.

[01:19:39] Josiah: but she hears me all, all of the time.

[01:19:41] It's, it's weird. There's just all kinds of little things like that, where it's like. I, I cannot conventionally explain some of the stuff that she picks up. And then, um, like stuff will happen with me too, where I'll be, this has happened multiple times where I am pulling up to the house, um, and like I'm a block away and I'll get a song in my head and I'll start like singing or humming the song and I will walk into the house and it is the song.

[01:20:13] The Amy and the kids are playing on like a, you know, like a Spotify playlist or something where it's like there physically, there's no way I could have heard the song when I started humming it. It's like, I. I, you know, psychically or intuitively knew that this was the song that was going to play. It was, it's weird.

[01:20:32] Cody: I've definitely been experiencing that a lot more with Madison lately where we've like, we say the same things and think the same things all the time. Um, today we were at a soccer game before this and we were leaving and it's like, sometimes I just hear things that I think some of it's just predictive, right?

[01:20:48] Like I knew what she was going to do and I did it. Like she, somebody was like free pizza over here. Anybody who wants it? And I just looked at her and She wasn't looking at me, she was looking ahead, but I looked directly at her, and we both at the exact same time said, Free pizza! And then she looked at me and started laughing, and I was like, I already knew you were gonna say it.

[01:21:04] I was like, right there, it was like a movie moment. Um, but then, the weirdest one was last night, we're sitting on the couch, Hadn't spoken in a while. We were watching a TV show and I just look over at her and I said, you know what I really want right now? And she went a banana split from Baskin Robbins.

[01:21:21] And I was like, yes. And she was like, it's almost like I can hear you thinking it. And it was so weird. I was like that. Cause we had, I haven't had a banana split from Matt Baskin Robbins forever. Like how, what, what in the world? Yeah. 


Mind Reading and Final Thoughts
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[01:21:49] Josiah: let's develop some hypotheses and actually run some experiments and see like, is, can we, can we accurately predict whether or not this will happen and whether we can hear each other? Um, and I'm just curious to, you know, to see what we find.

[01:22:09] Cody: right. 

[01:22:12] Josiah: What number am I thinking 

[01:22:15] Cody: Well, I was going to ask you that question. So if it's the same number, it would be really weird because the word I'm thinking of is 10.

[01:22:21] Josiah: Oh my God, are you serious? I am not messing with you right now. That is the number that it was. What the fuck?

[01:22:28] Cody: it's time to go to bed. We got to get out of here. It's so crazy.

[01:22:32] Josiah: my

[01:22:33] Cody: I've been thinking it for so

[01:22:34] Josiah: Oh my god! Oh 

[01:22:37] Cody: See, it's so weird when it

[01:22:38] happens. 

[01:22:40] Josiah: Oh

[01:22:41] Cody: after you said four, I had ten in my

[01:22:44] Josiah: Oh

[01:22:45] Cody: wait till the end and I'm gonna ask you, did you ask me?

[01:22:49] Oh my 

[01:22:49] Josiah: god! 

[01:22:54] Cody: Well, that means it's true because now we did it twice in a row.

[01:22:57] Josiah: Okay, Goodnight everybody.