[LIVE] Are Enneagram 5s really great listeners, or do we just look like we’re listening?

[00:00:00] Josiah: Hello and welcome to Enneagram five Live. Hello, hello. We're back. We are back. This one was a bit impromptu because we actually had a, an episode scheduled for this week. Uh, and then for the, for the second time, we've tried to record an episode on expectations. Yeah. We actually had a really great conversation this time.

[00:01:08] The first time we started the conversation, got 20 minutes into it, and then, uh, we were like, wait, we don't know where to go with this. And so we just dropped it. It's the only one we've ever dropped. And that was, that was a while ago. That was a couple years ago. It was, we had, so then we tried to do it again, uh, a couple weeks ago and had a great conversation.

[00:01:26] And then during the editing process realized that the, I don't know, the file was corrupted or something. I don't know. 

[00:01:33] Cody: I don't know a lot of, a lot of, uh, it, it just randomly drops sound in multiple places throughout every sentence, so it was completely unusable. I couldn't edit it out. And so I was, I was so sad because literally we talked, I, obviously there's a lot I had to cut out, but, 'cause we did it a little bit unconventionally, um, we started, I hit record while we were still talking about something and then it just kind of leaned because I was like, I see where this conversation's going already.

[00:01:57] It was genius. I was having a good moment. It was a creative moment, and it, it came, we got it like an hour and a half of conversation out of it too. So I edited out like 30 minutes and we still had over an hour, and it was like, it was gonna be perfect. And then of course, the audio was messed up, so we'll have to give it another shot.

[00:02:13] Third time's the charm. Oh, 

[00:02:15] Josiah: third time is the charm. Hopefully. I hope everybody loves it. But, but anyway, but because of that, we were like, Hey, let's just do a live this week. So we're doing a live Yep. We need, we need to do one anyway. Yeah. So if you're watching, uh, give us a shout out in the comments here and, uh, we will say hi.

[00:02:40] Um, all right. So as a reminder on these, we like to follow a, it's kind of a standard format. So we'll do a red, yellow, green check-in, and then we will do, uh, current curiosity. So what rabbit holes we've been going down lately, um, myth busting and this, this week we're gonna talking, we're gonna talk about whether or not fives are great listeners, and then we, we'll do a would you rather five edition, and then we'll talk about growth versus comfort.

[00:03:13] So, um, places where we've had some wins recently with growth, each of us, and, uh, places where we're still kind of leaning into comfort and not stepping out, uh, where we think we should. So all that to say Cody Red, yellow, green. 

[00:03:35] Cody: Um, let's see. Um, I'm going to say probably yellow, like leaning into red. Um, I've just, Hey, you know, I've been feeling, I've been feeling that job burnout.

[00:03:53] If we still, if we had a season coming up, then it would be a good indication. If we still did seasons, then I was probably gonna change jobs. Um, no. Oh, Irene, you says hello from California, by the way. Oh, hi, Irene. I'm, I'm sure the, I'm sure the weather there is much nicer than it has been here. Um, yeah, so, uh, yeah, leaning in, I guess because I've just been really, really burned out.

[00:04:16] Um, I don't know if anybody keeps up with the alcohol industry, which is what I work in primarily. And, uh, it's, uh, it's numbers aren't looking great, so it's been a lot harder to sell alcohol, um, especially as somebody who doesn't even really drink alcohol anymore. So, like, that's obviously, you know, kind of a weird thing to be in that place.

[00:04:36] I think. Um, although I will say I, I would rather be someone who doesn't drink alcohol and works in the alcohol industry than somebody who drinks too much alcohol and works in the alcohol industry. 

[00:04:46] Josiah: Um, that is, that is true. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:04:49] Cody: So I mean, it's, it, that's, that's the thing. And of course we just bought a house, which is why I'm sitting in the void right now 'cause I can't figure out what to do with this space.

[00:04:57] Um, we'll get to that in the next section. Um, but, uh, yeah, just a lot of, a lot of moving parts in my life lately. And it's been, and I haven't, I spent weeks without having like my personal space sorted out really. I spent a few weeks there and had COVID in the meantime. And so it was just like getting sick and not feeling like I not feeling up to, or having the energy to work out my space and figure out what I wanted to do with it was like eating away at me while I was laying in bed feeling like garbage.

[00:05:28] And so, um, yeah, it's, you know, it's just been a rough few weeks, but all, mostly except for, you know, maybe like job related things, which are just job related things. I feel like it's just been. You know, it's been one of those just been a month, it's been a month of just moving around doing a lot of things all at once, constantly having multiple things to do every single day.

[00:05:50] And it's just, it's been very stressful. I've been trying to find time to, uh, for myself as much as I can. But yeah, it's been, been a struggle. So I feel like I'm starting to come out on the other end of it at this point. Like this last week, I was like, if you had asked me last week, we'd done this episode last week, I would've been like the darkest shade of blood red.

[00:06:12] Um, but, uh, gen Gina says 

[00:06:14] hello, 

[00:06:15] Josiah: darkness, my old friend. Exactly. 

[00:06:17] Cody: That is like my theme song for the last few weeks. Um, and I've just been like setting it, you know, like sitting in it too, you know, just been like, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with being like dark and depressed. Like in some, in a weird way. I almost like, this is gonna sound kind of weird, I guess, but like, I feel like lately sometimes I get into like that darker place and I just kind of like.

[00:06:39] I won't say revel in it, but like, I appreciate it. I, it's more of an observational stand. I can kinda almost separate myself from that feeling and be like, you know, I need to be here for a little while. It's fine. It's, everything's fine. I maybe this is my brain's way of telling me it needs to rest and not do so much and not think so much because my body is for sure telling me that it wants to be apathetic and, you know, not do things right now.

[00:07:01] So like, I'm just gonna sit in it for a little while and it's fine. And honestly, it was a, it was a, it was an easier experience for me personally to do that. So, um, yeah. But I, I can feel myself, you know, coming out of the other end of it at this point. So we'll see. By next week, I, I will hopefully be green.

[00:07:15] We'll see. What about you? 

[00:07:18] Josiah: Yeah, I'm in a similar place. Um, I, I would say that I'm yellow and I haven't, I haven't gotten down into red, but I just, um, I, I feel like I had really good momentum and then I got sick. And then I eat from me. Yeah. We went to, uh, help Cody and Madison move into their house and they rewarded us with COVID.

[00:07:42] So 

[00:07:44] Cody: I got everybody sick. I think I almost killed Madison's grandmother with that COVID actually, she had to be in the hospital for a week, so it was a whole thing. Oh, 

[00:07:52] Josiah: geez. 

[00:07:52] Cody: Yeah. So, you know, you gotta love that man. 

[00:07:56] Josiah: Yeah, we, uh, uh, yeah, I didn't 

[00:07:58] Cody: know I had it just before anybody asks. I didn't know I had it when we were moving.

[00:08:02] I literally thought it was a cold or like a bad allergies. So anyway, moving on. 

[00:08:07] Josiah: Um, yeah, I, I've just had low energy and like brain fog since then and it's been hard for me to get back into it and, um, I haven't been working out since then. Yeah. Um, and I think that's another big thing too, plus like, you moved, you moved away, so.

[00:08:25] And I say moved away, but like, I'm not gonna drive 20 minutes to go to the gym. Yeah. So, so, uh, I gotta get back into the habit of that. I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about just biting the bullet and doing a personal trainer to just kinda get me into that. We'll see. Sure. See how that goes. Um, but the other thing too is I've just been, you know, the stuff we talked about in the getting older episode, um, yeah.

[00:08:57] A a lot of that has been weighing on me. And then I went to visit my parents this weekend. 

[00:09:04] Cody: Ah, okay. 

[00:09:05] Josiah: Which, which was, which was good. Like we, you know, we had a good time and, uh, we took the kids to the Adventure Science Center on, in Nashville on Sunday. So that was fun to show them. Went to the planet area.

[00:09:17] Is 

[00:09:17] Cody: that the, is that the building that looks like a pyramid on the outside? Yes. Okay. I always wondered what was in there. 

[00:09:23] Josiah: Yeah. The cool thing about it is that pyramid in, in the middle of it is, uh, like a four story playground. And so you can go all the way up into the very top of the pyramid and look out because there's a glass pyramid on top.

[00:09:38] Wow. And you can like look out over to the city. Yeah. Like, but you have to climb up like through the playground stuff. Like I went up there with them and I barely fit up there.

[00:09:49] Yeah. But the, the cool, the cool thing was, uh, this is my second time there. The first time there was in 2017. And, um, they do. Parties, like for adults, like in the evenings. So, you know, like they open to public hours and then like people can rent them out. And so I, I went, I went to a conference in, in 2017 and the after party was at the Adventure Science Center.

[00:10:10] And so there was a bunch of adults drinking and trying to go up to the top of the pyramid. And they have this, uh, they have this little, um, this like thing that, uh, like an EEG monitor or something that you put on your forehead. Okay. And it measures your, your brainwaves. And it's really cool. They, there's, uh, one on each side and in the middle is this little ball that, um, it, I guess there's a magnet under it and it moves based on who has the most relaxed mind.

[00:10:43] You sit down and like, and hit go, and you have to relax your mind and the more you relax your mind, it'll move the ball towards the other person. And so like, whoa. Yeah. So we were doing that. We were, we basically turned it into a drinking game when we were not, not with the kids when I was there the first time.

[00:10:58] Sure. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's that's really neat that they could do that. It was really cool. Um, so that, yeah, so we went with the kids this weekend and that, that was fun, but it was just, I don't know, man. It's like seeing my parents age and have different health stuff that they're going through and Yeah.

[00:11:22] Um, it just hits me harder now, you know? Yeah. And realizing that, and I turned 39 next month. It's my last year of being in my thirties and there's a lot of stuff that I thought that I would. Like, I thought my life would be a lot different going into my four forties in, in some ways. Yeah, same. And so, so I've just been, there's been a lot of sort of existential angst I've been dealing with and, and normally like that would be red for me.

[00:11:57] But on the other side of it, um, you know, we've, we launched, uh, the Fully five accelerator a few weeks ago, and that's just been fantastic. Like, even though like I'm the one facilitating it, I am also participating and, and like the calls and stuff and um, and interactions in the forum, and man, it has been, it's been so good.

[00:12:23] Like I've just, um, I've loved watching people. Like it's, so there's, we, we talked about this, um, a couple of calls ago actually. The. What, you know, as fives, we, we live our lives feeling like the outsiders, like we never, we don't really quite fit. And because of that, when we're out in the world, we, um, we tend to hold back and reserve and it's a lot harder for us to naturally engage.

[00:13:00] And, and so this was kind of like an experiment for me. Like we did a beta test, you know, earlier this year. Um, but this is a larger group and, uh, and so my, my, my hypothesis was like if some magical things would happen when you get, uh, a bunch of fives together because when, and it's like, it's just fives in the room, right?

[00:13:25] Yeah. And, and it's like exceeded my expectations because what, what happens is that because we all have that baseline. Of kind of feeling like the outsider. We all have that baseline understanding of what it feels like to be a five. Like we can just check all this pretense, like at the door and we, we don't have to explain ourselves.

[00:13:47] Like we don't have to put all this mental energy towards like trying to figure out, you know, if, if we're gonna fit in or, or you know, what the right thing is to say. Yeah. And, and because of that we can come into this space and like let our guard down so much quicker and, and just relax and like take a deep breath.

[00:14:05] And like every call we start with a grounding exercise where we do, um, like breath work. Yeah. And just helps us settle in and be present. And people are, um, like someone made a comment, like I'm saying things that on, on these calls, I never thought I would say out loud to another person, right? Mm-hmm. And it's just because we're able to show up and like, and, and what, what this does for us is it, it helps us practice that engaging and in a place where, in an environment where the stakes are low.

[00:14:35] And because of that, we could get to practice, we get a lot more reps in so that we gain that confidence. And then, and then people are noticing already, like, as like out in the world interacting with other people who aren't fives. Um, like they're noticeable changes. Like they're getting comments of like, Hey, you know, I, I've noticed you're much more like connected or, um, seem to be much more present and or much more relaxed.

[00:14:59] And it's, um, it's because we are practicing how to be our authentic selves and in a place where it, the, like, it's, it's like a safer place where those stakes are low. So, and, and, and that's giving us more confidence to go out and confidence to go out into the world. So it's just been like this really cool experience for me that has been really life giving for me.

[00:15:21] Um, as well as the people in the group, but like, like, because like I wasn't expecting it to carry me in the way that it has as well, like through some hard stuff. Um, sure. 

[00:15:31] Cody: Yeah. 

[00:15:32] Josiah: And so that's why I'm not read. I think it's just having that weekly, that weekly cadence of being with the group. Um, so yeah. Not to make, I don't wanna make this an infomercial for the accelerator, but if you're interested, we'll have a link in the description.

[00:15:47] Um, because I, yeah. I highly, highly recommend 

[00:15:51] Cody: it. And also you're helping us like, uh, like test drive what we might do in a live setting one day. Yeah. That's the other thing. You know what I mean? We've been talking about what Yeah. Is having 

[00:16:01] Josiah: a live event. Yeah. Which would be insane. I have lots of ideas for that.

[00:16:04] Cody: Yeah. Same. Yeah, I think we're kind of, we've been, we've been, we've been, uh, brainstorming that for a while. Um, yeah. Well and you know, it's funny too, it's like, on that note too, I feel like I've been doing a lot more. Maybe it's just having my own space, having a house, you know, where I don't feel, it's just a little easier to have people over, especially now that we're kind of getting settled.

[00:16:24] But obviously I've had you over and we've done a lot of, we've done a lot of hanging out and a lot of trying to set up and figure out how we're gonna shoot a, an actual video podcast here. Um, that hopefully one day we'll release videos of and, um, and, uh, it's gonna 

[00:16:39] Josiah: happen. It's gonna happen soon. Okay.

[00:16:41] Yeah. 

[00:16:42] Cody: Um, and um, but I feel like I've also been like, what's kind of like saved me from being read is the fact that I've been having like, not once a week, but like a few times already, I've had like people come over, like my buddy Logan came over a couple weeks ago and we literally just like took a gummy and watched Alien things on tv.

[00:17:05] Yes. And it was amazing. It was so fun. And then he sent me down this entire rabbit hole where I watched like 10 documentaries on alien abductions for like a week and a half. Um. Then, um, you know, and, and then my buddy Cody, our, our mutual friend at this point, Cody, he came over, um, a few weeks ago and we sat and watched, um, we also got high and, and watched, uh, um, like, uh, this, this show that's on discovery called In the Eye of the Storm.

[00:17:35] And it's like all of these like, it's like all video that people captured themselves of like any massive like event that happened, whether it was a tornado that ripped through a town or like a hurricane or a massive, like an entire island in, what was it, Hawaii or Maui or wherever that got cut, the entire island caught on fire and it was just like wild stuff like that.

[00:17:54] And so, um, yeah, and then that sent me down that whole rabbit hole for now. Watch. Now I've watched all two seasons of that show. Um, so it's just kind of funny. But I do kind of feel like it's weird how when I, 'cause I don't naturally. Without thinking about it. I don't naturally wanna just hang out with people with no agenda.

[00:18:12] But I've been like trying to practice that more often, of just like getting together, hang out with no real agenda, except just to like hang out and talk and just see what happens. And that's been in a, in a similar way, it's almost freeing and relaxing and very stress relieving in that way because I love one-on-one hangouts anyway.

[00:18:32] It's my favorite. And then two, when I have, when there's literally no expectations and I went into it setting that expectation of no expectations at all on the night, it, I always have a lot more fun. It's just, 'cause then I don't, it doesn't matter. There's no, there's no agenda. So it's, it, it's fine. Um, and as a five, that's hard to do.

[00:18:49] And so it's, uh, it's been a kind of a fun exercise in that way of like practicing what it looks like to have no agenda, just be in the moment. So, um, in a, so, in a similar way, I kind of had had that same exact practice. 

[00:19:02] Josiah: Love it. Yeah. You and I need to do that more. 

[00:19:04] Cody: Yes, we do. I'm, 

[00:19:05] Josiah: uh, so just so everyone's aware, I'm going over tomorrow night and we're gonna record an episode, uh, again, but, uh, uh, but we also need to figure out, uh, I guess maybe when you get back, uh, from your trip and we can figure out how to like hang out and not do podcast stuff 

[00:19:26] Cody: work.

[00:19:27] Yeah. Well, once we get everything set up and we're like cruising, then it'll be fine. It'll be easier. 

[00:19:32] Josiah: Okay. Well, let's move on to the next segment here. Yeah. Current curiosities. So what, and I invite people who are watching to post in the comments to answer this question as well. What weird or interesting rabbit holes have you fallen into lately?

[00:19:47] So, research, YouTube, spirals, uh, books, whatever. What's been lighting up your 

[00:19:53] Cody: brain? I should have opened up my chat GPT conversations for this. Um, if I just open up and read off the, the top chat GPT like conversations, it's probably pretty easy to figure it out. Um, I, I went into, uh, a deep dive on how they build sets for the show, the West Wing.

[00:20:13] 'cause I'm watching it with Madison right now and she's never seen it. And so I'm like, that can't be the real Air Force one. Like it looks. They did a really good job with it. And so then I went down this entire route hole of how they built all those sets and how many times they reused those sets. It was just crazy.

[00:20:26] Um, I went down. A, oh, I went down, this is a super domesticated of me, but I went down a crazy rabbit hole about mowers recently, which you know, you know all about because, uh, I, you tried, you and like three other people tried to talk me into getting an electric one. I didn't, but I did get an electric weed eater.

[00:20:46] Um, but it stuck with the gas mower. Um, but honestly, I mean, yeah, I've been, I've been my, for fun rabbit holes have definitely been like the storm things, which anybody who's been listening to this show for long enough and knows about, like my weatherman, uh, song that I wrote, that's a whole story on that is not surprised, um, about that.

[00:21:09] Um, I will say if you love storms though, in the eye of the storm is some of the most incredible tornado footage I've ever seen in my entire life. It was insane. Um, but yeah, the, the biggest one I've been doing lately is it's been like this space, um, trying to, I've been learning a lot about lighting and how to light.

[00:21:28] Someone's face. I'm obviously not there yet. 'cause if you're watching this, you can see Josiah's face and see my face. And there's obviously still a lot going on that's not in his, that's not in mine. Um, but lighting and camera, like background stuff, trying to figure out like what I'm gonna do with this space.

[00:21:45] It's not always gonna be black. Um, and I've decided to get away from all of that. Um, 

[00:21:50] Josiah: just so everyone knows, so there's this, there's this light. You can see here, this little lamp, you getting nerd out about it. It's, it's called a practical and it looks like that that is lighting my face, like the side of my face.

[00:22:03] Um, but it's actually not, it's not enough light to do that. I have a separate light just off, out of frame that's kind of like back behind me to the side. And that's acting as a rim light that's lighting like the, the back, my back to separate me from the background. And it's, it's creating a fill on the side of my face as well.

[00:22:19] You can see like when I move. Hand, kind of like right here. It, it, it blocks it. So that's how I'm, that's how I'm able to look. So good. Everybody. 

[00:22:28] Cody: Well, and your lights are a little different than mine too. I I, I've been deciding on whether or not I should, guys, I know you've had these lights that I have and you sold them, or you're gonna sell them, I guess I'm gonna sell 'em.

[00:22:38] Yeah. Yeah. And I've been considering something similar. Uh, I don't, I haven't decided, but, um, I just don't like how they're almost like too diffused. It like, washes out your whole face. I like how yours is actually a little more prominent and so, um, I don't know. We'll see. 

[00:22:52] Josiah: I'll, I'll show you how I have, it's all about the angle of how you set that.

[00:22:54] Yeah, 

[00:22:55] Cody: yeah. There's, 

[00:22:55] Josiah: yeah, 

[00:22:55] Cody: there's that too. I, yeah, we, and it might be a little too far away. Um, but yeah, so there's, you know, it's, it's, it's a whole, and when you start really nerding out on it though, like, honestly, I'll tell you what sent me down this rabbit hole is when we were, you were here the other day and we were talking about what I could do on this.

[00:23:10] And I, I immediately, very, very quickly realized that black background's a no-go. Everybody was like, if you, if you got anything else, do anything else but black. Yeah. Um, and so. Because the reason why these are up here is these are literally just soundproof blankets. Because what's behind this is like a washer and dryer and stuff.

[00:23:27] 'cause it's like not a real space just to like let everybody in on the secret. Um, I've been makeshift, I've created a makeshift soundproof sta space so I can record and do stuff. And so I hung all of these curtains up to do that. But I'm gonna have to do something on top of this. Like maybe I did find white blankets, um, that are exactly like this, but they're white.

[00:23:47] Josiah: Yeah, I wouldn't do white. If you can get like a light gray, that would probably be best. 

[00:23:51] Intro: Yeah. Can't really find 

[00:23:53] Josiah: light gray or even like a, or even like a charcoal would be better. Yeah, maybe. So anyway, we don't need to get in all this now. So Yeah, that's, that's my jerk curiosity. 

[00:24:02] Cody: But you, you're, you did this to me.

[00:24:03] You sent me down this particular rabbit hole. Um, yeah. What? Oh, we'll have fun tomorrow night. Think 

[00:24:08] Josiah: we we'll have fun tomorrow night. Think. 'cause we, uh, we gotta finish setting up the Yeah. The lighting. Um, yeah. Okay. So for me. I have been going down the rabbit hole on Pokemon. 

[00:24:24] Cody: Okay. I can kind of relate to this in a way, because I started, I don't know why I sent you some of these videos.

[00:24:31] I think my, my, somehow my Instagram feed, my like discover page or for you or whatever, became only videos of people opening up Pokemon packs. That's so weird. And I don't even care. But I, but I keep watching them all the way through, which is what encourages it to give me more of them, because I love seeing all of these kids and people's reactions to the, the cards that they do get.

[00:24:55] And I give no shits about Pokemon, but to watch their reactions and get them and just see somebody get that excited about something, it's like, you know, it makes me feel something, gives me that adrenaline that that dopamine push. Um, yeah. Sorry, go ahead. I'll stop interrupting. 

[00:25:11] Josiah: No, the, uh, that's funny though.

[00:25:13] Um, so I bought. Let's see. Last year for my birthday, I bought myself one of those, um, like knockoff, like Game Boy type little handheld games that has emulators on it with and has like, you know, a thousand Game Boy advanced games and stuff like that. No, you got me to get one 

[00:25:37] Intro: and then I, 

[00:25:39] Josiah: yeah, I showed it to you.

[00:25:40] You're like, Ooh. Um, and, and so I started playing and my, my brother's early into Pokemon. Uh, I feel like I just kind of just missed the Pokemon, like, I had some cards in like middle school, but I, like no, no one I knew was into them, and so I just, I didn't, yeah. That's how my brother was too. 

[00:25:59] Cody: Yeah. 

[00:25:59] Josiah: And, uh, but my younger brother was really into the Pokemon video game and, uh, and so he, he's also a nerd and a five, and he, um, he will buy.

[00:26:13] Uh, like old game boys, like actual game boys and, um, and like, like refurbish them and mod them and stuff. And, um, and then buy the, like, the original game cartridges for things and stuff like that. It's like he's really into it. Um, and so since the kids got into the card game, um, I, one of the games I started playing on the game on my like, foe game boy, uh, was the Pokemon Emerald, like the emulated Pokemon Pokemon Emerald.

[00:26:44] Okay. And it, it surprises me how addicting that game is, especially because I'm already like really familiar with all the, the Pokemon characters because we play the card game with the kids, um, and we collect them and stuff. And I, uh, I kind of got sucked in though. It's, it's actually really fun. And then, um.

[00:27:06] And then I made the mistake. And so we, we, we've been holding off on video games with the kids. They're still pretty young. We wanna hold off as long as we can. Um, and then I, so I was like not getting it out until after they went to bed. And then one night I went and sat down on the couch with it and then I had to go to the bathroom.

[00:27:26] So I set it down and I went to the bathroom and as soon amateur moves, went the bathroom. I know as soon as I went the bathroom, I heard, I heard the pitter patter of all three of them come into the living room looking for something. And then they're like, wait, what is that? And then they're like, dad, what is that?

[00:27:43] No. Oh. So, uh, that ruined. And then of course then they wanted to watch me play and then that, that very fairly quickly turned into them wanting to play. So we do this thing on, this is our Saturday morning ritual where, uh, a Saturday morning after breakfast, after I go do cold plunge and all this stuff come back, have breakfast, and then, um.

[00:28:06] We, they have to, uh, clean the living room and the dining room and do laundry and brush hair and brush teeth. And then, and then they get to do 15 or 20 minutes of, um, of Game Boy time each. And so they play their little Pokemon emerald, um, and take turns and, uh, and, and so we, it's, it's just become this like kind of fun little bonding thing that we, we do.

[00:28:37] Um, and then they also watch me while I play mine. Um, but I got to this point, so the way that it works is you go to, you know, you go through these different towns or little cities in this huge map. Mm-hmm. And, and usually when you get to a new city, there's a gym, like a Pokemon gym. Um. And you go through and there's usually some sort of like maze or something, and you're battling different trainers.

[00:29:00] And then you get to the gym leader. And once you beat the gym leader, um, they, uh, you know, you usually get some sort of like gym badge and you, you unlock some sort of new ability. And, and so I finally got to, uh, the psychic type gym leader, but it was a double battle. And they were, and like I have, I've, I have not had any problems with any of the gym leaders up to this point.

[00:29:27] Mm-hmm. But I, I had to, it, I kept losing and I'm like, how do I, how do I do, like, what am I missing here? And so then I went down like this long rabbit. Hole of figuring out, you know, which, which types I needed to train up which ones were available. And then I, then I learned there's like all these different layers that, to the Pokemon, in the Pokemon video game.

[00:29:53] I didn't know, like each one can have one of 25 unique natures, like brave or sassy or quiet or something like that. Yeah. And they all affect their stats differently. Yeah. And so then I'm like, well, which Pokemon do I need here? And then what's their ideal nature? And then I had to go find, like, I, I, like, I caught like 25 electros so that I could train up with like, to get the perfect nature, you know?

[00:30:20] And I could train it up 'cause I knew I was gonna need it like later on. And, and it's just like, I, I went deep on, on this and I realized like, I, it's just, it's, the thing that impressed me was I've been playing this game for a while, um, like off and on for months and not realizing that there's all these other game mechanics.

[00:30:39] Like levels, like layers down that I didn't even know were there. Yeah. That were affecting, you know how I, and I'm like, man, if I knew all this, I would make completely different choices. You know, um, that sort of thing. And so it was just, yeah, that's my, that's my, uh, way over winded story of my rabbit trick.

[00:30:56] Yeah. 

[00:30:57] Cody: I, I'll add to this, uh, and won't go nearly as deep as you did because we need to move on, but, um, I did recently get into a game. I've, I'm usually just like a, like a first person shooter kind of person, just 'cause I don't wanna put dedicate too much time into a video game. I don't have the patience usually.

[00:31:13] But I recently got an ad for this game that I found out was on consoles. It used to be only a PC game, I guess called No Man Sky. And I think you would really like this game actually. But it's like one of those kind of games where like, it's so incredibly expansive and I don't usually play these kinds of games.

[00:31:29] So I like start out this game and it's literally like completely open world. You can. Travel through different galaxies and universes, land on any planet and discover planets. Or maybe sometimes other people have discovered 'em, but it's online so other people are in this game too. And you can come across different people at different markets and get them to like join you or you join them to go do different things.

[00:31:47] But you build your own ships and some, and you can build ships big enough that then you, you can invite other people on them so then they can build like these freighter ships and stuff and like house all of your stuff on it and you, you refine all this material and all these crystals and stuff to build things.

[00:32:00] So it's very similar in that way. But every time I play it I'm like, how do these have, people have this shit? Like, how did you get that? And it's like, oh, they've been playing it because this game's five years old and they're still doing updates. So it's ma, I mean, every time I try to look at all of the galaxies you can go to, it's so massive.

[00:32:15] I'm like, how did they do this? And it was free. It's a free game, so, wow. But yeah, so I have been like diving into that pretty hard. I've been, that's the thing that I do when I late at night when I can't sleep and I just wanna like zone out and do stuff, I'll like go onto this. I'll like land on a planet and then it's like every planet has a different weather pattern and stuff.

[00:32:33] Sometimes like, oh, it's acid rain. You gotta hide from it in a cave and wait it out before you can do other things. And I'll just be sitting there like mining shit for like an hour and a half. Um, yeah, it's crazy. 

[00:32:43] Josiah: I just, uh, recently introduced Amy to the show, mythic Quest. Oh, so good. And so we've been watching that.

[00:32:50] It's so good. I love that. Show it. So as you're talking, like I'm thinking through all, like all the mechanics of like how you'd monetize, uh, like a free game like that and, uh Yes. Yeah. And I thought about it that way too actually, because that 

[00:33:01] Cody: show is 

[00:33:01] Josiah: amazing. I used to, I was really big into, um, like Red Alert Two and Civilization four, I think back.

[00:33:10] Mm-hmm. And like the early two thousands. Yeah. Um, I played those games a lot and it sounds kind of similar to that. Like basically you have to mine all this shit and build up like armies and build up different like things. Yeah. Yeah. I love that stuff. Um, okay, moving on. Moving on. Alright, Cody are ennea.

[00:33:34] Grand fives good listeners. 

[00:33:37] Cody: See, I don't know if I'm the right person to ask for this because I also am on the spectrum, so like Yeah, but like, depends on what you're talking about, 

[00:33:47] Intro: you know, 

[00:33:48] Cody: like, um, I think that I have, I have slowly, very slowly started to learn and pick up the skills of being able to like, focus on what someone's actually saying and not be processing it in the background.

[00:34:04] Um, and analyzing it in the background. Sometimes I can't help it. It depends on the situation. I think that, again, like when, if it's a no, if it's a no agenda, no expectations conversation, I can do that a lot easier than if I am in a situation where like I'm a lot more aware of like body language and dynamics between people and what's happening.

[00:34:26] And if there is an ulterior motive that I have, whether it's, you know, nefarious or not, like if it's just like there for work or whatever, you know, like I have to go on a trip next week. As soon as I get back from my work trip, I have to immediately leave a day later on an or a on a family trip. I'm going to see my family.

[00:34:41] I immediately get back and go on a work trip to Nashville for two days with my entire team to go up to the Nashville team. And meet with them and stuff. And I don't trust any of those bitches. So like, so like, it's gonna be very different from, I won't be able to like, you know, I already know that I'm gonna be, it's gonna be really hard for me to not tune out of what everybody's saying, to be like, trying to read the behind the pretense, you know?

[00:35:03] Josiah: That was a, that was a gender neutral bitches, by the way. 

[00:35:06] Cody: Yes, it was. Yes, it was. I should say I use that word interchangeably all the time. Um, yeah. 

[00:35:15] Josiah: So, so essentially what I'm hearing then is you can be a good listener. 

[00:35:22] Cody: I can be, yeah. But I'm not naturally, no, I don't wait. Well, and yeah, I think, like I said, and it also depends, are you hitting one of my like three or four pillars of interests?

[00:35:32] I mean, if you're gonna talk about, you know, Marvel comic books, uh, music. Entertainment things, podcast things, lighting. You know, I might really be tuning in, but if you're talking about like, I don't know pretty much anything else, but like, uh, but generally like emotionally heavy things that I know that I need to be present for that I know I should be listening.

[00:36:00] I often don't, and I think, I don't think it's because I don't want to, it's because I, my brain. It's like if there's like a tank, a gas tank gauge, certain things use up more resources faster than others, in my opinion. Uhhuh. Yeah. Um, and really emotionally heavy things tend to use up those resources very quickly.

[00:36:19] And then it's like, I need like a refill time. I need to like recharge for like, at least if so I like, if it's a really heavy conversation, I find ways to insert breaks in that conversation so that I can like, do anything else for just like a minute. I'm the same way with like really like, you know, A 24 is one of my favorite, uh, production companies and they make movies, but they're a lot of times really heavy, really like getting to the core of like humanity and the human experience type movies.

[00:36:44] Like the movie The Whale is a good example of that. Like, um, get to the end of one of those movies and it's like, don't talk to me for a while. I need, like, I need a recharge time for sure. Because it's just, I can't, I can't, I have too much to process. Um, but yeah, generally pretty hard for me to. B, I wouldn't call myself a good listener.

[00:37:03] Like I personally wouldn't call myself a good listener because I don't think that I listen good enough all the time to be, to earn that title. 

[00:37:12] Josiah: That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, I think that oftentimes other types think of us as good listeners because one, we are naturally curious. Mm-hmm. We tend to be, yeah.

[00:37:26] Um, and we tend to be very stoic. Uh, yeah. And so we're quiet, 

[00:37:31] Cody: we're observing, we ask good follow up questions 

[00:37:34] Josiah: because we're not always talking unless we're, you know, you get us on one of our, you know, one of our deep interests. Um, you know, we, we, we tend to at least appear to be listening, which can earn us the, uh, the badge of a good listener.

[00:37:52] Um, yeah. And that, and it's true. Like we, we can be, uh, amazing listeners if. The, uh, I, if one we've, we've worked at it and, and, and two, like the, the, the environment is often we, we need to have like, the environment to be just right. So like, if we're not like, yes, mentally spiraling, um, or disassociating because of like emotional responses.

[00:38:20] Um, another big one is like rehearsing our response in our head before Yeah. You know, instead of actually listening to what the person is saying. Yeah, definitely. Um, or, or like, you know, or another thing that I'll, I'll do is as the person is talking, they'll say something that like, piques my interest or like, and, and I'll be, I'll be analyzing that thing.

[00:38:43] Cody: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:43] Josiah: And as the, as the person has continued talking and like moved on. Um, and then, and then I'll. Then I'll like my brain like rubber bands and like tries to catch up. But I know I haven't caught everything in 

[00:38:56] Cody: like Yeah. And you're also like me also equally disappointed that you can't now bring that thing up that you fully analyze 'cause it's so far past it.

[00:39:03] And you, like, you try to bring it up. Everybody's like, we, we were talking about like 10 minutes ago. Um, yeah, I do that all the time actually. And I also, um, I, I find that I, I listen to people, I have conversations the same way I read books, which is that I'm reading and I'm tr I'm just trucking along. I'm getting, I'm really, you know, but then like I'll read a line, I'll read a word and that piques my interest and I'm thinking about that.

[00:39:28] But I keep reading. Then I'm like, shit, what was the last two paragraphs I just read? I need to go back and reread these two paragraphs. 'cause my mind wandered on whatever it was that I was thinking about from that one sentence that I, that piqued my interest or that one thing. And I, I was off over here, but I kept reading.

[00:39:43] And so I'm still thinking that I'm reading and thinking that I'm in that, in that space and I'm actually not. And I have to go back and reread the pro thing altogether because I didn't, wasn't even paying attention to what I was reading. And I was just like saying the words in my head. And so I think that I do the same thing with, uh, with conversation for sure.

[00:40:00] It's like, I think I'm listening, but my brain is actually elsewhere. And it's like at some point it's like, I, I can't tell, I can't tell you what you were just saying for the last five minutes. Like, I have no idea. And so, yeah. 

[00:40:12] Josiah: And, and the, the other thing too about this that's important to understand, it's like it's not because we don't care.

[00:40:16] No. Like we, we, we care. We want to understand others generally. We want to be understood. Yeah. And um, and at the same time, like we. We have that default of, of retreating into our mental space to process things and, and, and that can pull us out of the moment to where we're not present. And you, to be like a good active listener, you have to be present in the moment, um, generally.

[00:40:45] So, yeah. 

[00:40:47] Cody: Yeah. It's, uh, it's a tough space to be in. 

[00:40:52] Josiah: I will, I will say that I, in my experience, that is a skill that we can definitely build and excel at with a lot practice. Yeah. 

[00:41:03] Cody: Yeah. And like, and, and a lot of it is just being present, learning how to be present and be like. Uh, being able to, I guess, not shut your brain off, but you fives understand what I'm saying, like, shut your brain off enough to be able to, like, you're working on like minimal focus or, you know, minimal, uh, processing, you know, you shut down all the applications.

[00:41:27] Like you're, you're just like, you're only doing one thing right now. Um, that's by far one of the most incredibly difficult things for me to do in my life. 'cause there's always at least five things going on in my brain right now. I'm having a hard time right now staying on track because I got too many things going on in my life.

[00:41:43] I'm literally like, trying to be like, stop thinking about those things. Cody. We don't need, think about those things right now.

[00:41:50] Josiah: Yep. I get it. Um, yep. All right. Would you rather, let's do this one. Okay. Um, also curious for anyone, anyone watching, uh, would be curious to hear your take on this in the comments too. Uh, would you rather. Be asked, what are you feeling right now? Every hour on the hour? Or have your internet speed throttled every time you try to research something?

[00:42:24] Cody: I think I'd rather take the slow internet speed. I think I would because there is nothing worse than repetitive behavior for me in that way. Like it's just, it's irritating. You know what I mean? Like if somebody asks me every hour on the hour how I was feeling, there's a, there is a point in which that person will cease to exist 'cause I will probably murder them.

[00:42:48] And so like, I feel like for my own self preservation and wellbeing, I should probably just take the slow internet because. Uh, you know, there's books I could find my way around that one. Like I could, I can, I can conjure up an answer if left to my own devices long enough, but to constantly have to tell somebody how I'm feeling every hour, and I'll be like, the same way I was the last hour you asked me.

[00:43:12] Like, my, my feelings don't change that often. That would drive me insane. Um, yeah, I don't think I could do it. So in many ways that's kind of an easy, easy answer for me. It's an easy one to answer. Um, what about you? 

[00:43:29] Josiah: This one's a hard one for me. Um, I don't think that there, like, there are a few things that frustrate me more than technology not working the way that it's supposed to work.

[00:43:42] Agreed. Yeah. And, and especially because like, I'm, I'm very tech savvy, you know? Yeah. I've been in tech for a long time and when. When something is so bad that it's really unintuitive or it's like you just had one job and you're supposed to, like, you can't even do that. Well, yeah, like that, that stuff just, it, it like, it eats at my soul.

[00:44:09] Um, yeah. And, and so I would have to go with the asking how I feel, because honestly I'm married to a four, so it's like, you know, I feel like it's already happening. That's, that's, yeah. That's prepped me for, 

[00:44:25] Cody: for 

[00:44:25] Josiah: that. 

[00:44:26] Cody: Well, okay. Well let me ans let me ask you this. Let me ask you this, this might change my answer.

[00:44:30] If, is the person who's asking me this every hour on the hour willing to accept the saying that, fine, I'm fine. 

[00:44:44] Josiah: Well, that's not really a feeling, 

[00:44:47] Cody: but like. I'm, I'm, I'm good, I'm happy. Or I'm content. Like if, if there is no follow up to that, to that answer, because like, you know what I mean? Like it depends like how deep do they wanna be talking about feelings every hour on the hour.

[00:45:01] If it's like just checking in like, Hey, how you feeling? I'm good. Okay, cool. Moving on. I'll take that for sure. I'll take that. Uh, but when you, when I read this, when I read the Would you Rather Questions In my mind I'm thinking this is somebody who is going to care way too much about what I'm feeling and if they're caring too much about what I'm feeling, I don't want to talk to them about it.

[00:45:22] So, 

[00:45:23] Josiah: oh man, that's, uh, that reminds me of the newsletter that, uh, I sent out this weekend where basically we talked about how, um, it's, for us it is, it's not just as simple as. Uh, a task or a, you know, a thing to do or a question in our mind, it's like, what is that question going to lead to? What is that task going to lead to?

[00:45:48] And then we go down that trail and then that, and then we basically have to do energy calculus for all of that. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. And, and, and that's what's behind, uh, a lot of our decision making and a lot of our procrastination and avoiding things, is that we're, we're doing all of that energy calculus just because it's not just the one thing.

[00:46:10] Um, yeah. And, and, and, and it's not, you know, it, it's somewhat based on reality because we have found that oftentimes when we agree to something or we engage with something, it, it, it's, it's, it asks much more than we want to give. Mm-hmm. And, uh, and then we have to make the decision of whether or not we. Uh, we sit with that and stay with that, or we try to find a way out of it without, you know, and, and, and can we do that without hurting the other person's feelings or do we care?

[00:46:44] And it's like, what is the situation? So there's this, there's a lot that goes into that for sure. Yeah, for sure. Um, let's see. Looking at the comments here. Gina says, internet throttled. I would end up getting frustrated of the same questions over and over again. Yep, yep. Uh, I feel you. And then, uh, with the internet speed being slow, just get up and rage quit.

[00:47:13] And then Irene, he says, uh, why on the hour? Uh, because that's what made you question it. It's going to become a 15 minute emotions expo. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Very. Yep. Okay, well we have our answers there. So did you change back to. If you just get to answer the question with whatever it's you're feeling with no follow ups, you change to that.

[00:47:40] I'd 

[00:47:40] Cody: do that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Keep my fast internet. Thank you. But now, you know what would make me sacrifice Fast internet.

[00:47:54] Josiah: All right. Uh, last segment here, we've got growth versus comfort. So where, where have you chosen growth over comfort lately? So like showing up despite it being uncomfortable, um, and felt like you, you're, you're growing in that direction. Um, and then where did you default to comfort and withdraw? Maybe, um, where you think where, where there's an area for where you can grow.

[00:48:30] Cody: Yeah, this is the one segment that I wish I had more time to think about. I, I feel like there's some, uh, there's, there's some of this I've probably touched on already in this conversation where, um, I, I feel like putting myself in opportunities of being, 'cause sometimes, you know, I was talking earlier about how freeing it can be to not have an agenda or not have expectations on a situation, but that's also like, for many fives a terrifying situation.

[00:48:59] Like, are you gonna show up to a party where you have no idea what the agenda is? No. The agenda for the party, you know what I mean? Like, what's it about, what are they gonna do? Like, or, you know, in a get together a, some, some type of small group situation, you know, where you're like, I have no idea what the plan is and what they're planning on doing this evening.

[00:49:18] But I'm just gonna show up. No, definitely not. I need to know when does this thing start? When do you think it's gonna end? Is there gonna be food? And, uh, what, what is that food? Um, are we expected to, like, are we gonna do like a sit in a circle and talk about ourselves situation? Like, you know, like whatever the case may be.

[00:49:36] Like I need to know so that I am mentally and emotionally prepped for this. Um, and so I think putting myself in situations lately where I don't have a clue how it's gonna go and you just do it anyway, has been definitely, um, definitely a little bit of a, of a challenge for me. But like I said earlier, it's also been like a good thing 'cause it's, it's challenged me to be, um, um, more in the moment and more, um, not so much in my head a lot, which is, it's been great.

[00:50:05] I think I've also too just been trying to embrace overall just embrace. Feeling emotion instead of processing emotion, which we've talked about so many times on this show as a whole. Um, and I've always agreed with whatever we say, but to, to feel it, to put it into your life practically on a regular basis.

[00:50:26] And not just when it, like, when you know, when you can really like, emphasize it or like, you know, call back to it. 'cause I feel like there's times where I'm like, oh, I really did that in this moment. But to do it on like a daily basis and make it a normal practice is, is a whole different conversation. And that's something that I feel like I've been trying to do on a lot, a lot more regular basis.

[00:50:45] And, um, and also just let myself really dive into things and not, um, procrastinate them or like, I'm, I'm, I'm jumping around to topics a little bit, so this is not the same thing. Um, I think that a lot lately I've been like. You know, like I always feel like I talking about energy calculus, I try to like compartmentalize a lot of my life based on what is going to take the most energy and prioritize.

[00:51:16] It's like spinning, spinning all the plates and you're just trying to decide which one's gonna take the most energy to keep spinning and which ones aren't. And so the ones that aren't, I'll put those in the back burner for now, will like let those kind of do their thing for a minute and then I'm gonna really focus on these things that are like really struggling.

[00:51:29] Um, and I've found that it's actually a bit like, with, especially with work is a great example, like it's easy for me to kind of become on autopilot, especially when I start getting burned out on something and um, and just start checking out. And so like, you know, it was like. About a month ago, I was in a place where I was like, okay, this is, this autopilot's not gonna work.

[00:51:53] It, it's not getting better. So like, I have to do something different. And so instead of like checking out or I don't know, looking for a new job, I decided to give it a go and like really try to like give it my all and, um, try to, I hope you can't hear this plane flying over my house. This is, I didn't know that I was gonna, where I was living was like right under where planes are taking off at this airport.

[00:52:17] That's gonna be fun in podcast recording. Um, just add some, add some 

[00:52:22] Josiah: texture to it.

[00:52:26] Cody: This sound like every once in a while there's just a UFO landing on top of us. It's just like, it's massive engine. Um. What was I saying? Oh, diving into, I don't know, I want some listening,

[00:52:42] um, diving into my job to try to make it better. And I like, and putting myself in uncomfortable situations. 'cause like, the way to make my job better. My particular job is the worst possible thing for a five to do. It's literally, basically door to door sales. Like, it's like the only way to make it better is find, I grab a few bottles that I wanna focus on or what, like maybe, you know, our, our, my boss or home office or company wants us to focus on.

[00:53:07] I put 'em in a bag and I start going account to account and be like, Hey, try these, you wanna bring 'em in this week? Like obviously there's more to it than that, but, um. But it's, it's putting, it, it's constantly putting myself out there in a way that is uncomfortable for me on a regular basis. And, but I have found that this time, particular time around when I understood what needed to be done and I understood what goals I was after and what I, what results I wanted to get, it actually was a little bit easier.

[00:53:34] And it, it is easier than the last time I did it. I'll say that. It was like, I think because I've been regularly doing this at a little bit, at a time, it was easier to put myself out there in a way that made me uncomfortable and in the same way. Um, and it's funny, but it's just the things that we do all the time in the same way.

[00:53:51] I had a gig recently where I was on stage singing, obviously. Um, and, um, but I found that the thing that I've always struggled with on stage is like small talk, like. Just filling space between songs, talking about myself, talking about songs, trying to find the right things to say. And so instead of doing that, what I've been really trying to do lately is just be myself in front of a microphone.

[00:54:16] And, 'cause I know deep down in my gut, I've always known that that's what needs to happen, but I've always never wanted to do that. Um, and, and you And as a five, I constantly like calculate what I think's gonna be funny, what I think people are gonna latch onto what I think people wanna hear. And I've done that for years.

[00:54:32] And what I've found is, is that if I just say what's on my mind and just say it like I'm talking to a person and not a room full of people, it uhhuh it goes a lot better. And I've been doing that. I had a few gigs this past couple weeks. 

[00:54:43] Josiah: So basic. So basically podcasting. 

[00:54:46] Cody: Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, because like yeah, practicing, practicing that on a podcast, I think.

[00:54:54] I would like to think, listening to me now versus listening to me when we first started in our first like 12 episodes is a very different Cody you're listening to. Right? 

[00:55:01] Josiah: Very different. Yeah. 

[00:55:02] Cody: Um, and so, uh, I mean, hell you were just saying what was it at the end of when we were still doing seasons end of season four, you're like, God, you talk so much more now.

[00:55:13] Um, yeah, and I, and I always talk this much, it's just a matter of getting it in the right situation and being able to turn it on. And I say turn it on, but really it's just, you know, getting to a place where I'm comfortable in my own skin enough to where I don't have to turn it on or turn it off, but it just happens and I want to do it.

[00:55:31] And it's helped my, it's helped my job. It's definitely helped my. Music, like gigs and stuff. I felt like I've been like connecting to strangers a lot more that are hearing me for the first time. That's something that's been really encouraging. Maybe I'll eventually be able to extend that, uh, authenticity to like social media.

[00:55:46] We'll see. I'm working on it. Yeah, I'm working on it. Everybody can follow me and you can let me know if I'm being, uh, feel authentic or not. Um, all right. I'm done. What about you? 

[00:55:58] Josiah: If, if you want, I can just start coming to your shows and heckling you and that'll help. 

[00:56:02] Cody: Hey, you know, fun story. I just played at Miller Park the other day, um, for, uh, this thing that they did where they were featuring local music and I played at this park on the, on the stage and this guy.

[00:56:16] Um, uh, came up and decided he wanted to be a part of the show, and he rushed the stage and had to get arrested while I was playing. So, um, you can't be worse than that. I kept playing like a pro. I might add. Oh man, that guy was, that was, it was fun though. It was a different story. That was, that's quite the story.

[00:56:36] There's a, there's a, somebody got a picture of him where as he was getting pulled off the stage, he was flipping off the entire crowd and it was so while I'm just playing in the background and I was like, that's an amazing, as soon as they said they got the picture, I was like, please get it. Find me on Instagram and send that to me.

[00:56:50] I need to, I need to have that picture. That's amazing. All right. What about you? All right. 

[00:56:56] Josiah: Um,

[00:57:00] I think a big area for growth that I've noticed for me is that the whole process of, um, launching fully five, I didn't, I didn't overthink it. Um, and it was actually easy and fun. Um, and, and I, I, I've been trying to, now I'm like trying to overthink it by an, like, analyzing it afterwards, like what was different about this?

[00:57:32] Mm-hmm. I don't think I, I, I've quite unpacked it all the way, but I think I, um, one, I set myself a, this, this is something I've I've done in the past, which can stress me out, but it's effective, which is like, I set myself a public deadline. 

[00:57:49] Intro: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:50] Josiah: And I'm like, okay, well this is the date when it's launching and I'm, I'm, I've started telling people this now, and so it has to like this.

[00:57:58] So, so then I work backwards, like, okay, well all has to go into this in order to, to launch it. Yeah. Um, but, but I think, I think one of the things that really helped me was, you know, part of the process is. Um, before anyone can join, they have to get on a phone call with me. Um, one, I just wanna make sure that, you know, there's no mismatch in expectations around like your goals and making sure that you're a good fit.

[00:58:26] Two, also, like, I wanna make sure that the people that we're bringing in are the right fit because, you know, it's a really special group that we have. Um, but from that I am, I'm getting to have these one-on-one conversations with people, whether or not they join. And, um, that has been really good. Like, I, I've just been really enjoying getting to know people in the community, um, like at that level.

[00:58:53] And I've done some, some one-on-one calls in the past, but I'm realizing like I wanna do more of that, um, even outside of the accelerator. Like I wanna, um, as, as time allows, 'cause my schedule's kind of crazy, but, um, do more just. You know, random one-on-one calls with people who have been engaging in the community and, uh, and just to get to know them better.

[00:59:19] And I love hearing, um, people describe their experience as a five in their own words, um, which is why we include them in the, in the episodes. And we, it's not just us talking right in like the regular episodes 'cause we like, it just adds this like extra texture and richness to the conversation. It's always my favorite part of the episodes.

[00:59:41] Um, and so getting to do calls I think helped a lot with that of, and my enjoyment of the whole process. Um, on the flip side of that, I have, I have still have not done any promoting outside of our like, community and, and current, uh, like list, email list. Um, and so. And it's one of those things where it's like I'm still dragging my feet on creating Instagram reels.

[01:00:14] Yeah. Where I've done, I've done all of the other stuff pretty much that's necessary in order to start, you know, going all in on Instagram except actually making the content. Like I have the, I have like, I know what I'm gonna say. I have stuff, all the stuff mapped out, like we finally figured out like how we want to like, you know, use the different accounts and mm-hmm.

[01:00:33] Um, and all I have to do is just sit down and record and, and hit publish. Um, and still drag, but I'm, but I'm at the point now where it's like that is the last thing to do and I have to do it. Yep. So I'm just gonna do it this week. Yeah. So I'm gonna start recording those this week. Um. I said it publicly here so you guys can hold me accountable.

[01:00:56] Um, but yeah, that's, that's, that's the place where I, I still have some, uh, I've been, I've been sliding back into comfort and choosing that ever growth. So 

[01:01:05] Cody: yeah, I mean, same, we're both social media is both of our downfall for sure. It's just the worst. Um, and, but I've been trying to figure out how to like find ways to make it not the worst, which I think is what you're saying, like.

[01:01:17] Find ways to use social media for what it was actually intended to be, which is to create a community around shared interests. And so, you know, for me, doing it with music and stuff, I've been trying to be more myself. And I created, you can create channels on Instagram now. So I've been creating channels.

[01:01:32] I created one that's just for like, all of my creation stuff and songwriting and all of that stuff. So I could maybe even go live in that channel with people who are interested in doing it in smaller groups first to see how I can kind of feel it out. I have one that's just for memes or shit posting as people like to call it.

[01:01:48] Um, and so it's like, you know, I, I figured out ways, avenues to do it where it's like it's fun for me to do it that way. And so like maybe there's a, maybe there's a way to for you to do that as well. I don't know. But like, that's definitely where I'm trying to grow as well is like trying to figure out how to be comfortable in my own skin enough to do it.

[01:02:03] 'cause that's at least my hesitation for not wanting to do it is that like really putting yourself out there to like the whole world and they can do, and the internet as of. Incredibly cruel place. And so it's like, do you, I don't know if I wanna jump into that cesspool, you know, it's just like, it's hard.

[01:02:19] It's really hard to want to, 'cause there's some cruel people out there. People get real bold when they can do it anonymously. 

[01:02:26] Josiah: Yeah. At the same time though, like, I've only experienced that a little bit and it's only really been on Facebook. It's That's true. It's not, it's not been on Instagram. And I give, 

[01:02:35] Cody: I give no shits about being on Facebook.

[01:02:37] Yeah. I'm not, I'm not doing 

[01:02:39] Josiah: anything on Facebook. No, definitely not. But I, on the, on the flip side of that, like we've gotten a ton of, um, like comments and messages over the years, um, from the stuff we have putting out, put out that it's true. Are very encouraging. Like Yeah. 

[01:02:55] Cody: We really have no excuse. I know.

[01:02:56] As to why we're putting it off. Yeah. We've had nothing but love and everybody being like, this is amazing. Why are we not putting stuff out? 

[01:03:04] Josiah: Yeah. So that, that's coming. We're, um, we're gonna be doing. So I, I've got my account that this is the thing that I was avoiding for a long time, was actually using my personal account.

[01:03:16] Mm-hmm. But I'm gonna start using my personal account, um, creating content, uh, that's more based on the fully five stuff that we're doing in the accelerator. And then we're gonna be, uh, chopping up the video into a bunch of clips to put on the, the Enneagram five podcast account. Um, and so, 

[01:03:34] Cody: and hopefully if people see our faces more often in videos, they'll be able to tell our voices apart, hopefully, since that's a very common thread through this entire show.

[01:03:45] Josiah: Well, that is the end of our segment here. So 

[01:03:50] Cody: wait, wait to land the plane. We're 

[01:03:52] Josiah: we're, you know, we're past time, so I'm just gonna like, rough, rough segue here. Uh, thanks for coming and hanging out. We enjoyed having you guys in the comments. Um, and yeah. Irene says yes, that would be helpful to seeing our faces more.

[01:04:08] Um, so 

[01:04:09] Cody: here we are. Alright, 

[01:04:11] Josiah: here we are. We are here for everyone on this YouTube stream, but we disappear for year after 'cause you only get the audio version you're listening to podcast. Yep. 

[01:04:22] Cody: Uh, all right. Until next time. 

[01:04:25] Josiah: All right, see you everybody. Bye. 

[01:04:27] Cody: Bye.